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Silje67
11-19-03, 07:01 PM
Hi guys... :)

Well.. I'm not good with this HTML-thing, but trying to do what I can in notepad..

I'm a newbie and really not sure what to think about my website...

I hope you can give som constructive advice, I need some help building this website. I have no content on the site so far, just working on the design.

http://www.unenlightened.com/

Thanks in advance

Silje

:D

(jj)
11-20-03, 02:46 AM
Silje67,

I'd say that for a first time attempt, you've done a great job :)

If you are going to use the frames, I'd suggest that you resize the top image (test.jpg) so that it all fits within that frame without the scroll bars.

You might also want to remember that using UPPPERCASE letters in a file name can get you into trouble. That is if you forget and try calling it by using lowercase letters in your code.

Other than that, I think you have a really good start and I look forward to seeing how it all turns out in the end.

BTW, you really would not want to see my first attempt at doing HTML :D

Naveen
11-20-03, 03:17 AM
Good Job!

Most of the things are already pointed out by JJ.

I would just add few more.

1) I see that you are using a free guestbook, the remote guestbooks have limitations like 100 posts etc, so someday you have to move on, so get a script from www.hotscritpts.com and use your own script, its pretty easy to install simple scripts. Guys on board would sure help you if you have any problem.


2) The topic color is pretty hard to read "Section of poetry" you might want to change that.

3) You need a title for the page.

4) don't put your email on the site, get a contact form, you'll receive spam - virus - junk if you have your personal email address on site.

(jj)
11-20-03, 04:11 AM
Silje,

Naveen makes a good point about the guestbook. If you want one that is really easy to setup and configure, you might want to take a look at My Guestbook (http://www.fuzzymonkey.org/newfuzzy/software/perl/)

While the instructions were not the best, it is the easiest I've seen to get up and running and can be configured to match your site quite easily.

Silje67
11-20-03, 05:21 PM
Thank you guys so much for your suggestions :D

I have changed it all, I think, except from the guestbook, will have to do that later today :D

How does it look now..?

I would love to see a screenshot to see how much difference there is bewteen what I see and what you see... :)

If you go to the CONTACT page, you can see (?) that the content is not centered. I have use a center-tag, but doesn't work (at least not in ie6).. any ideas? There must be some way to center it? Same goes for the content on the indexreal.php

It's annoying, hehe. Any ideas?

Thanks for the help, any other comments and suggestions are VERY welcome :D

BerksWebGuy
11-20-03, 05:29 PM
I agree with all the above...but a great first try at hand-written html.

As far as your last question...you have the contact page at an absolute size:

<td width="651" valign="top" bgcolor="#383424" height="114"><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 10pt" color="#FFFFFF">

Change it to a percent:
<td width="100%" valign="top" bgcolor="#383424" height="114"><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 10pt" color="#FFFFFF">

Then it will be centered on any resolution...and it will get rid of the scroll bars on 800x600

Silje67
11-20-03, 05:37 PM
LOL, that's like a whole new world opening infront of my eyes :D hehehe. thanks a lot.. I've been wondering about that for a long time, and finally :D

Silje67
11-20-03, 05:50 PM
btw, Jack, yes I would like to :D Especially if it would make me feel better, hehehe.

(jj)
11-20-03, 08:54 PM
Silje,

BWG pointed out the <td> width problem, but forgot to mention changing your <table> tag to match.

In your code you have a width of 800 set in your table tags, change that to 100% instead. On an 800x600 monitor, the maximum viewable width is around 780 (depending on the browser.

Also, setting height in the table tag does not work. You can set height in the <td>'s but not <table>'s

I took some screen shots using IE 5, IE 5.5, and my Mozilla Firebird. I'll upload them a bit later and post the URL so that you can see what I'm seeing.

Thank goodness my first web site is long long gone, as it was really hideous by todays standards. Lots of big wide table borders and everything centered. Designed for 640x480 monitors with 256 color settings and version 2 browsers :)

<edit>
Here's the URL to the Screen Caps (http://www.rccomputer.net/stuff/silje.html)
</edit>

Silje67
11-20-03, 09:19 PM
Jack

thank you. :)

Nice to get some help and respons. Did I do it right now..? About the
100%...

Silje67
11-20-03, 09:57 PM
oh great! saw you uploaded the screenshots :D

Highly appreciated!

Was that before or after my last post (I did the changes you suggested after that last post)

(jj)
11-20-03, 10:01 PM
Silje,

In these tables, you still have width set at absolute sizes:
<table border="1" bordercolor="#050706" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" style="border-collapse: collapse" width="800" id="AutoNumber1" bgcolor="#050706">

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="border-style:dotted; border-width:0; border-collapse: collapse" width="600" id="AutoNumber2" bordercolor="#050706">

The last one would be ok at 600, as it is nested within the main table. I would suggest that you change the 800 to 100%.

Silje67
11-20-03, 10:10 PM
:)

If you are talking about the <table border="1" bordercolor="#050706" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" style="border-collapse: collapse" width="800" id="AutoNumber1" bgcolor="#050706"> that I have just changed to see how it would look, I think it looks horrible this way. lol.

Could you please take a look at it?

?

(jj)
11-20-03, 10:19 PM
:) Yes, the top frame image (test.jpg) is still 800 pixels wide, so the table will compress it and make it look distorted. You might want to resize that image to around 770 pixels.

In your top frame navagational section, it is ok to use the absolute sizes in your tables. If you want the design to work for 800, then make the images a bit smaller than 800 in width.

The tables that I was referring to are the ones in your main body of the page, the lower frameset. When you are working with mostly text, using percentages is the best way.

(jj)
11-20-03, 10:28 PM
Silje,

The thing to keep in mind is that this is YOUR website. If you want to design it for 1024x768, then by all means do so :) But if you want the visitors that use 800x600 to enjoy it without horizontal scroll bars, then you have to do a little extra work and consider things like image size when designing the site.

You are doing a great job and I think you have a better understanding than most first time site designers.

Silje67
11-20-03, 10:59 PM
thank you for ALL your help, you're a sweetheart :)

Well, it's not the first site I've made in html, but the second. the first one I made.. was years ago, and I have forgotten how to. But I'm trying. I AM a girl, and I'm only 18 :P gotta give me a little credit, hehe. :)

I give up the 800x600 for now, hehe. Have to work on something else, or I'll just get too tired.

I want to make another banner/logo/top image.. and then try a guestbook :)

thankyouthankyouthankyou :D