View Full Version : Announcement re spews.org blacklist
Berek Halfhand
4-30-02, 08:37 PM
I checked out spews.org and it says they only deal with the administrator of the affected system. Using my isp (as starr said) is irelevant to them because it is not the one being blocked. What will Powweb be doing about the problem?
Surely such a system is flawed when used against web hosting companies because it denies all their legitimate customers rights.
The site that caused this has already been terminated and removed from our systems; however, there is no way to contact Spews.org. They say the process is automatic, so it may be 24 hours up to a week or more for some ppl until this clears.
Berek Halfhand
5-1-02, 07:25 AM
I looked all over the site for some decent info about what goes but found nothing. Very strange that a site like that can wield so much clout.....
don't see where this started...what's happening and how does it affect us?
I'm having the same problem. Both my email and URL have been down since April 30, 6pm est. It is my understanding that this is not directly a Powweb problem, nevertheless, the site, Spews.org (or whatever it is called) must be held accountable for this downtime. Causing all the sites that just so happen to be on the same network/server to go out of service when a site is terminated, is unacceptable. Any more info or details on this problem are appreciated. Thank you.
Maybe this will help you understand what Starr meant about contacting "YOUR" ISP.
I know that Spews will only deal with the Admin of the affected system, however, for this to affect you at your ISP... your ISP HAS to have signed on with Spews to handle their spam problems.
Some a$$ that "used" to be with Powweb was sending spam to the ISP's that use Spews to handle spam problems. That is why the Powweb IP's have been blocked to those ISP's.
If enough people contact their ISP's about this problem and complain loud enough then Spews will start losing it's customers.
Only when Spews is looking at losing revenue will they even consider making it easier for hosting companies to prove that they have handled the problem and then remove them from their blacklist.
Hope this helps to explain the problem a bit better.
FYI: Spews is free, and they do not care one bit about any MTA or its users. They do what they do because they can and admins are fools enough to use them.
I spent some time @ http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=news.admin.net-abuse.email
As you can see, most ppl there applaud Spews actions. :\
How spews works (or should work):
Some luser's domains is known for UCE/UBE (aka Spam), since it is a known spammer, their domain (and any IP their A and MX record point to), is added to a database. This database is available via the net, and for those ISP that subscribe to that particular list, filters ALL emails coming to and from their domain using that database. If a domain (or IP address) of an address listed at Spews is detected, it bounces w/ the Spews message that this was blocked. Once the ISP has removed the user from their zone and no longer provides listing, w/in a few days, that address is “de-listed” from their database.
I believe that what some ISP's do as well is they download a copy of the database locally so mail traffic isn’t slowed. Unfortunately, what this does is cause addresses that are blocked to remain blocked even though Spews has removed the address from their list.
So, when we say complain to your ISP, we mean take it up w/ them that the Spam prevention software or lists they are subscribed to are miss-configured or handle their listings inappropriately.
As for what Powweb does, we take all UCE/UBE complaints very seriously. If you or your site in any way is involved w/ UBE/UCE, we will terminate your account and depending on the severity of the complaint, charge your account a $150 service fee.
Starr, I just read about 100 entries on the Google forum you referenced above, and while a great deal of it was beyond my experience and tough to decipher, enough of it was clear.
Seems like SPEW is due for a class action lawsuit. Why hasn't it happened yet? Are they in some country that Western Laws dont apply to? Seems their doorbell is need of a good wringing. (pun intended)
Dale
I would have guessed on of the "Stans" first, then Russia. Figures.
What irks me is the admins of the ISPs actually subscribe to these lists do so w/out a clue as to how poorly they are run. :\
Berek Halfhand
5-1-02, 07:28 PM
That is sooo funny. American ISP's trusting a russian system to prevent spam.....
This is not just an American problem. ISP's all over the globe use Spam filters such as Spews.
The question that comes to my mind is why PowWeb would sell a hosting package for a domain called...
bulkemailadvertising.com
...in the first place. The domain name seems very self descriptive to me and leaves little doubt what kind of business they would be engaged in. Or maybe I'm missing something here.
would it be spam if we got ahold of spew's database of subscribers and sent them a heads up as to what's happenin'???...just an observation...in the form of a question...
Originally posted by Starr
As for what Powweb does, we take all UCE/UBE complaints very seriously. If you or your site in any way is involved w/ UBE/UCE, we will terminate your account and depending on the severity of the complaint, charge your account a $150 service fee. [/B]
remind me not to make starr mad heheh
Seriously spam is a huge problem but to ban a entire hosts ip range or a host server such as pluto orion etc is total foolishness.
When simply deniing *.spammer.com *.spammer.net etc will have the same effect only limited to the domains spammer.domainexts adding a simple hotmask at the begining will block and and all subdomains.
Spew.org or what ever have some problems they have a good idea but the way they implament it is foolish.
I doubt it.
It is more likely an attempt to be heavy handed and force immediate action.
Obviously a lot of subscribers to SPEW have a bug up their butts about spam, too, or they would not be playing along knowingly with such harsh retribution to any host that even unwittingly has spam originating on their servers.
I imagine that once some of them get their own turn on the SPEW list they might look at things a little differently.
jacqueline
5-2-02, 05:34 PM
What if the complaints are from somebody that didn't like your face for whatever reasons,from your ennemies etc....?!!!How do you know for sure if it's true or not?
J, We can only hope thats not the case.
Originally posted by Ronski
The question that comes to my mind is why PowWeb would sell a hosting package for a domain called...
bulkemailadvertising.com
...in the first place. The domain name seems very self descriptive to me and leaves little doubt what kind of business they would be engaged in. Or maybe I'm missing something here. It would be prejudicial to deny services to someone because of their business/domain name.
has anyone suggested to spew to simply block domains rather than a range of ip's?...seems simple enough...so one could conclude it is a conspiracy to disrupt the free exchange of information within the western world and then we will all be at their mercy and then.......................what was that noise?...hehe...i still think we outta snatch their customer base and expose the shoddy workmanship...unless it's intentional in which case i may not finish this po
Danu, as I suggested in an earlier thread, it is not about blocking an individual spamming IP,,,they tend to be fleeting presenses anyway....they come and go like the wind. This is about forcing the Hosting companies to find a way to stop spamming,,,punishing them severely for somehow not blocking them out entirely. SPEW does not affect a large Host by saying "block one IP addy" but they sure do get their attention when they have a Host's whole client base blocked.
Dale
i know it was a tongue in cheek observation...e-mail the KGB and tell them the people from SPEW are secretely subverting their communications with their operatives in the States.
jacqueline
5-3-02, 06:59 AM
whoever they are ,they don't have the right to block anything on complaints of who and what are the proofs and so on?!!! Everybody can complaint about anything depending on their stomach that day ,it's not serious ! and on the net there are a lot of people who can do a lot of things just to annoy others or to gain fame! They merit a law suit!
they're in russia...*shrugz*...the only REAL way to get them would probably land one of us in jail...just spread the word...make sure your ISP knows about it
More than half my email has mail.powweb.com as a return address...What's up with that? Are spammers using the powweb mail servers?
jacqueline
5-6-02, 08:56 AM
it happens also at yahoo ! problems of people using our e-mails or other's e-mails ! very curious,perhaps a policy of those people involving into anti spamming business to create disorder so that one has to go to their services!
you're getting the mail from powweb if you are redirecting your domain e-mail to your home ISP
jacqueline
5-6-02, 12:57 PM
it's not the mail on poweb redirected but other,same problems!
do you have an e-mail account here???...an smtp...like jacq@jacq.com and it redirects to jacqueline@yourISP.com?...it will show the return path as powweb...'cause that's who sent it...but the sender may be joe's smut emporium sending an e-mail to *.jacq.com...if not then get the entire header and send to starr so he can find the spammer...but i doubt there is ine in powweb right now...let me know what happens
jacqueline
5-6-02, 01:13 PM
no, i did sent everything to yahoo 's service already because this is not with poweb but it involves another site .I just said that these problems are not alone at poweb and i supposed that a big policy is going on !
OIC...good luck w/ yahoo...all the big free e-mail ppl like hotmail, yahoo, ail, usa,net, juno etc have anti-spam policies and they will reluctantly follow them if you're persisteant enough to get past the obligatory auto-reply from their server saying it's am imposter...get the whole header and send it...there's also a place to complain in person but i forgot the addy
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