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How quickly do you think you can make a site get to a PR of around four after its initial creation?
Considering the site updates a lot and offers a lot of text information.
*After two months alexa gives me a ranking of 400,000 on the week averages for reach rank and page views rank, since the site is so new, its overall rank is 2,700,000. But not a bad boost in short time. Still, google has not updated rankings.
Thanks
Ryan
rainbore
9-28-04, 10:24 AM
Theoretically, you could get a PageRank of 4 overnight with a single link from a page with a sufficiently high PageRank. While the public PageRank database has not been updated in many weeks, Google updates its internal data on an ongoing basis, so new links (and lost links) are incorporated into the ranking results regularly. If your site isn't achieving the rankings you want in the search results, its probably due to your competition outperforming you in three areas:
(1) Raw PageRank - Don't let anyone fool you, its still a keystone of Google rankings.
Keep in mind that PageRank flows and follows distribution paths like water or electricity. For a given page with a PageRank of "p" and having "x" number of links to other pages, the amount of PageRank passed by each link is approximately p/x (with some additional algebraic magic to account for various factors). So, a link from a page with a PageRank of 5 with 100 links on it is not worth as much as a link from a page with a PageRank of 3 with 4 links on it.
(2) Anchor text - the added weght Google assigns to the keywords contained in the <a>xxx</a> of the links pointing to a page. This is a powerful factor in Google.
(3) On-page empasis of your keywords in the <title> tag, <h>eadline tags, and the <body> text overall.
Good luck!
Thing I do not get is that Google easily visits my site at least once a day [each time doing multiple hits to pages] and has an updated cache every day... but I still have a PR of 0. The spider likes my site, but spits no love.
Then, yahoo comes everyday too now, and they haven't re-cached forever and show no love on listing me high at all.
Kills me
Ryan
rainbore
9-30-04, 12:01 PM
As I mentioned, the Toolbar takes its information from a publically-available database that is different from the database Google relies on to produce search results. The Toolbar PageRank database has not been updated in nearly three months now and cannot be relied on.
Yahoo! mystifies me, too, as far as how often they scan a page versus how often they use that information to update their index. Many people see their pages get updated quickly, but for most of the site I control, it seems to take weeks. Go figure.
Pagerank is the only thing I am not able to increase in my site. I have tried practically everything I heard of! Anyway I will have to be happy with 6!
From what I have seen and read Google has not updated Pr in over 3 months.
That may sound as good news since I have played with my site for a couple of months :)
rainbore
10-1-04, 09:12 AM
Hang in there, Neville. The PageRank scale is logarithmic, so each step gets progressively larger (and more difficult to achieve). A 6 is a major milestone, though. Congrats!
I want 8 in order to be happy :) Maybe I am asking too much!
Ok, check this out...
I am thinking about advertising on a site that Alexa gives a rating of 80,000 [top 100,000 site] but google gives it a PR of 0. Can this be right?
**On a side not, anyone know when google plans to update PR? And how I can find out when or if or what PR may be now?
Thanks
Ryan
If you want to find out what your Google page rank is, you can use http://www.top25web.com/pagerank.php if you do not have the Google toolbar installed.
rainbore
10-6-04, 10:51 AM
Google updates iits internal PageRank scores on a regular basis as it does its continuous crawls. This is the database on which Google bases its ranking decisions.
The public PageRank database, which is what is used for the Google Toolbar PageRank display and all of the publically-available PageRank display tools/pages/scripts has not been updated in nearly 3 months and so it isn't very useful at the moment. Keep in mind that PageRank is a measure of the link popularity of a particular web page. It is very different from the Alexa score. Google's PageRank score is a combination of the number and the quality of the links that point to a given page. Alexa's ranking is an attempt to measure the amount of traffic that a web site receives, which is a very different thing.
Either today or yesterday, google updated their pageranks...
SECOND, Yahoo hates my site. I have a couple sites that Yahoo loves and sends tons of people to every month. Now, my new site, which I think offers the most and should carry the most value of all my sites, gets crapped on by Yahoo, who hasn't sent one person all month. But they index me every few days or so now.
What are some tricks to get you noticed specifically by yahoo?
Thanks
Ryan
rainbore
10-8-04, 09:11 AM
Yahoo! seems to respond to fairly common optimization methods. You have to start with link popularity, of course, but from there issues like keyword density and strategic use of HTML mark-up to emphasize your keywords are what Yahoo! smiles on. Select two or three of your most valuable keywords and make sure they appear in the <title> tag, <h>eadlines, and the occasional <b>old text. It can take a while for Yahoo! to notice your changes, so you have to be a little patient. When I update my pages these days, I insert the date in a comment tag so when I check the cached version in the search engines its easy to see if they're looking at the current state of my sites. Good luck!
Also, I have link exchanges that I track which do something like
http://www.mysite.com/index.php?link=30
Does google take into account pagerank on index.php or index.php?link=30?
Should I just have people have their links set to http://www.mysite.com/index.php
does the data of the ? matter or no?
Thanks
Ryan
rainbore
10-9-04, 09:19 AM
Google will see index.php and index.php?link=30 as separate pages. It would be best if you did a little php magic to detect the affiliate referral in the query string, do any necessary bookwork internally to record the referral, and then do an immediate code 301 redirect to the site's root URL. Google is pretty good at consolidating such URLs over time, but you can run into a problem if their system suddenly starts to see all of these links as pointing to duplicate pages, which violates the guidelines of all major search engines. It can keep your site from ranking as well as it should because your PageRank is spread out over all of these URLs and you don't get your site crawled as deeply or as often as you otherwise might. Good luck!
How can I record, or know, where the link came from without the added string on the URL?
Thanks
Ryan
rainbore
10-9-04, 04:17 PM
That's why I said do your internal bookkeeping and then do the re-direct. If you need to keep this information attached to the user, you can always use cookies or PHP session ID. One of the PHP mavens around here should have some good advice on this. I'm a Perl person, and I've only dabbled in PHP, so I can't give you specifics. Good luck!
casbboy
10-17-04, 03:42 AM
I heard that some people searching for high PR sites were willing to pay for small transparent gif images that contained a link back to their site [image on a high PR site].
Would this work on improving pagerank?
Thanks
Ryan
rainbore
10-17-04, 09:51 AM
A link from a page with a high PageRank score will give your site a boost unless it violates Google's guidelines. A link on a transparent GIF is a violation, and Google used to be able to detect them, but they don't seem to devote as many resources toward that sort of thing as they used to. So, the biggest risk would be if (a) Google noticed an unusual linking pattern and had someone investigate it, or (b) a user/competitor noticed it and reported them to Google. Its a very small risk, but it hardly seems worth it when there are much better alternatives available.
I would recommend that if you're going to pay for a link, make it a straightforward, plainly visible link - either a graphic or text link that live users can see and actually click on. While Google objects to buying and selling for PageRank, there's just no way they can penalize a site for advertising. At worst, they can cancel the PageRank transfer. Good luck!
Who exactly sells links on high PR pages?
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