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Can anyone tell me why suddenly no clicks from China on my website ? I wonder if China government bans sites hosted by powweb or some other reasons ? Because it doesn't make sense to me if they ban my website since it is an English site.
BerksWebGuy
4-9-04, 10:35 PM
I depends on the ISP. I know some 'foreign' customers have trouble reaching powweb's IP addresses because they are blocked by the ISP's.
Croc Hunter
4-9-04, 10:37 PM
They sure do: http://forum.powweb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35019&highlight=China
BerksWebGuy
4-9-04, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by Croc Hunter
They sure do: http://forum.powweb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35019&highlight=China
Oh yes...that thread...don't know how that one turned out...but I hope he got it figured out :D
But blocked IPs is a known problem :(
Croc Hunter
4-9-04, 10:46 PM
Yes we got him fixed with a proxy Berks. Seems not all powweb servers are blocked but they China are so strict it's only a matter of time. TheY pay cops to search the net and compile lists to be banned.
BerksWebGuy
4-9-04, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by Croc Hunter
Yes we got him fixed with a proxy Berks. Seems not all powweb servers are blocked but they China are so strict it's only a matter of time. TheY pay cops to search the net and compile lists to be banned.
Well...I guess powweb deserves to be banned...I guess :rolleyes:
Originally posted by whl626
Can anyone tell me why suddenly no clicks from China on my website ? I wonder if China government bans sites hosted by powweb or some other reasons ? Because it doesn't make sense to me if they ban my website since it is an English site.
Hey, i have the same problem... suddenly i lost many traffic from China....:(
China is urging its people to learn more English all along. They shouldn't have blocked an English website :(. My site is specially made for the Chinese anyway.
I would guess (not having researched it) that the blocks are by IP address. Since each PowWeb server hosts a thousand or more sites, all it takes is one that is deemed "objectionable" to institute an IP ban. The Chinese government isn't interested in being lenient here.
Originally posted by Croc Hunter
TheY pay cops to search the net and compile lists to be banned. China employs over 50,000 people just to scan email for offensive-to-the-state content, links, etc., and almost as many to perform other kinds of "maintenance" on their net infrastructure and massive firewalls. There are organizations that work to get Chinese people access to proxies and mirrors of banned sites, but these are blocked as soon as they surface. It is believed that eventually the Chinese government will change their blocking strategy from the massive and unwieldy blacklist the currently use, to a small whitelist of accepted sites, which will effectively cut out the Western world completely.
I asked some friends from China to access some other sites hosted by Powweb. They can access them. So that means the Chinese government only selects my site for banning ?
Is there any solution to overcome this problem ? Please give advice
snowmaker
4-11-04, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by whl626
I asked some friends from China to access some other sites hosted by Powweb. They can access them. So that means the Chinese government only selects my site for banning ?
Is there any solution to overcome this problem ? Please give advice Are those sites hosted on the same Powweb server as yours? -b
Any way that I can check it out ? I myself even don't know which server is hosting my site. I am a technical newbie :(:(
snowmaker
4-12-04, 12:04 AM
You can click here (https://ops.powweb.com/?module=packages&submodule=package_services&service_type=HTTP) , login, and you will see what server is hosting your website. -b
Thank you. It is hosted by www09.powweb.com and may I know if www.asiarecipe.com is also hosted by this server ? Thanks
tbonekkt
4-12-04, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by whl626
Thank you. It is hosted by www09.powweb.com and may I know if www.asiarecipe.com is also hosted by this server ? Thanks No, that one is hosted on terra:Target: asiarecipe.com
IP: 66.152.97.243
FQDN: terra.powweb.com
Then can I write to the support center to have my site being switched to this server ?
snowmaker
4-12-04, 12:19 AM
Those two websites (yours and asiarecipe) appear to be on different servers. Areyou awindows user? You can open a DOS window (start button, run, type command or cmd) and run the ping command like this: ping website (don't use http://), so it would look like ping www.asiarecipe.com. that wont tell you what server they're on, but it will tell you the ip address of the server hosting that site. if they have the same ip address, they're on the same server. -b
Using the service provided by tbonekkt I can see that the IPs of the two websites are different.
Now the thing is I want to know if the Chinese government bans my site or the IP as a whole. ( 66.152.98.19 ). How to check out other sites also being hosted on this server too ? Then i can ask people from China to access and see if they can open those websites.
Waiting for your reply
tbonekkt
4-12-04, 12:27 AM
Originally posted by whl626
Now the thing is I want to know if the Chinese government bans my site or the IP as a whole. ( 66.152.98.19 ). How to check out other sites also being hosted on this server too ? Can you see the default server page when you go to http://www09.powweb.com?
Yes, only www09.powweb.com 66.152.98.19 on the page
tbonekkt
4-12-04, 12:30 AM
Originally posted by whl626
Yes, only www09.powweb.com 66.152.98.19 on the page But you can't see your own website hosted on www09? That to me means your ISP is banning your site specifically, or based on keywords within domain names.
My ISP is banning my site ??? You mean the internet service provided in Malaysia is banning the site not the Chinese government in China ?
tbonekkt
4-12-04, 12:35 AM
It could be your ISP, it could be the government. But what we can say is that www09 itself is not blocked or else you wouldn't have gotten the default server page.
Then can I come to the conclusion that only my site is banned by the Chinese government ? But it doesn't make sense though, since I got another site using domain pointing. It also got banned.
www.foreseefuture.com
Oh, I forgot to tell, I can access both my www.englishdaily626.com and www.foreseefuture.com
waiting for your reply
Just confirmed with someone from China. She can't see the default page www09.powweb.com :(:(
Originally posted by mjp
China employs over 50,000 people just to scan email for offensive-to-the-state content, links, etc., and almost as many to perform other kinds of "maintenance" on their net infrastructure and massive firewalls. There are organizations that work to get Chinese people access to proxies and mirrors of banned sites, but these are blocked as soon as they surface. It is believed that eventually the Chinese government will change their blocking strategy from the massive and unwieldy blacklist the currently use, to a small whitelist of accepted sites, which will effectively cut out the Western world completely.
The great FIREWALL of China?
Sorry folks, nothing constructive, I just couldn't leave that one alone.
I suspect that some hopeless Chinese official blocks my website IP again :(. My site used to be hosted on www09.powweb.com, since it was not accessible in China. I requested Powweb support team to move it to another server - that's www03.powweb.com.
After that my site statistic showed some clicks from China again. But after 1 day, there are not more clicks from China.
I expect help from the Chinese whether they can view the www03.powweb.com default page ? If they can then it is due to some other reason probably. Thanks
Skunkboy
4-18-04, 12:34 AM
http://forum.powweb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35585&highlight=china+blocked
jayshang
6-21-04, 01:25 AM
my customers in China cannot visit my site now...
they used to visit my site often and everything worked fine until 2 weeks ago..they just cannot getta in my website...
anyone tell me what's going on here?? and how to solve this problem??
I rather doubt that Powweb is blocking China. It's more likely that China is blocking the IP of the server that your site is located on (or just your domain). I've seen this happen several times before.
Skunkboy
6-21-04, 04:16 AM
China and certain other countries are trying to block off the Western World from their residents. For an explanation of why your site may not be working in certain countries, scroll not quite half way down to MJP's post in: http://forum.powweb.com/showthread.php?t=35585
why are goverments so retarded?
using a proxy server should allow you to by-pass goverment filters
Except that the governments also ban the proxy servers as fast as they can find them.
Does anyone have any information on what i was informed by Powweb that China is shutting out ip addresses fom coming into China? I have a website that has been unable to be called up in Beijing( I do business in China) and Powweb informed me that China is starting to shut out ip addresses that aren't originated in China and, therefore, i can't receive the site there but, yet, I have several other sites that i can receive there including another one hosted by Powweb. I talked to AOL, Earthlink and other people in the know and they haven't heard of this and found it to be completely unlikely since China has been opening up instead of closing itself off "behind the iron curtain" as a supervisor from powweb told me. If anyone has any information on China and its internet position regarding this please let me know because I can't find any information of anyone having any knowledge of China closing it's internet world off from accepting outside websites other than what Powweb tells me.
Thanks
alphadesk
9-9-04, 05:32 PM
Do a search and you will see that you are not the only one.
China has banned sites. Being a shared server, if one site gets banned on a server they all get banned on that server.
And this is not unique to Powweb services.
http://www.google.com/search?q=China+Internet+freedom&num=50
Banning sites is one thing and not any big news, but, to my knowledge or anyone else I've talked to, the information of China taking steps to completely banning all sites coming into the country not only seems ludicrous but unfounded, is Powweb the only ones privy to this or is no one else talking about it?
Fisrt, you have to understand that PowWeb has many servers.
Each server has its own IP address.
But on each server, there are thousands of sites hosted "virtually".
If retarded govenmental agency of China does not like one site,
it will bann the IP, thus blocking everyone on the same server.
Anyway, blaming PowWeb is totally useless for this.
Blame Chinese government and people who support repressions.
You can ask PowWeb for terminating services and partial refund, I guess.
Contact Billing department if you choose to do so.
Listen, this is not about blaming Powweb for this but wanting to know where this information is coming from and if anyone else knows more on China completely closing out all ip addresses I am not interested in your politcal views (extra) and your offerings of what I could do to terminate my account.
I don't know where you got the idea "China completely closing out all ip addresses".
As far as I know, China is "selectively" banning certain IP they don't like.
And it has been very widely known and published in many media.
In short, nothing new.
Search this forum with "China", "Chinese", and you will see that
this has been discussed already.
PS.
As China may bann any IP anytime, PowWeb cannot possibly guarantee that
poor Chinese population would have access to your site. That's all.
May be "you" should read my post more carefully and you'll see where i got the info from... and I think I'll decide if my issue has been discussed already
I guess you misunderstood what they (PowWeb) told you.
Or possibly they didn't say it clearly enough.
You can post the exact info you got from PowWeb
to support your claim if you feel like.
And decide whatever you wish, we are free to do so, here. :)
Hello wylder1
The Chinese Government is indeed blocking several IP addresses from the U.S. and other countries. This is done to censor or monitor information that is available to the citizens of China. In fact, I have found that the Chinese Government is even monitoring text-based messages that are sent between mobile phones.
There are serveral websites that will support this statement. In addition, you will find more information in this support forum.
do_u_see
10-19-04, 11:58 AM
Listen, this is not about blaming Powweb for this but wanting to know where this information is coming from and if anyone else knows more on China completely closing out all ip addresses I am not interested in your politcal views (extra) and your offerings of what I could do to terminate my account.
we can talk. I major in mass communication. contact this address
steveyfli#gmail.com
change # into @
tonymasiello
11-5-04, 11:35 AM
Hello,
My fiancee in China has been unable to access our website since Wednesday evening. I know there have been issues in the past with Powweb servers being blocked in China, and perhaps we have been lucky to have over a year of not being blocked. It is interesting that this started at about the same time as the load balancing. Perhaps it is just coincidence. I'm hosted on www05.
I'm not casting any blame by posting this. This morning I fixed two RSS script calls on my front page to use 'localhost', and the site is lightning fast now. I'd hate to leave Powweb for this reason, they are in no way to blame. But it is frustrating when my partner and half of our audience are suddenly shut out.
I guess that the drawback of load balancing in your case is that ten servers now have the same IP address. You're no more on www05, you're on the load balancer which dispatches the requests to www01 up to www10.
The only solution I see would be to have a special host for people like you, or maybe to use some settings that would cancel the load balancing for your site, and allow you to use the IP address of one server, if such a feature is supported by the hardware that Powweb installed here.
It won't help - China will discover and block the other IP eventually. PowWeb has already said that it won't make configuration changes in the hope of avoiding Chinese censorship, and I don't blame them.
I would guess that you'd have this problem, sooner or later, on any shared host.
The only solution I see would be to have a special host for people like you, or maybe to use some settings that would cancel the load balancing for your site, and allow you to use the IP address of one server, if such a feature is supported by the hardware that Powweb installed here.
I don't think the solution offered would work for long - if all sites (at Powweb) that are of interest to those in China (specifically targetted at them) then it is making the job for the Chinese authoriities even easier - they just need to find out the IP address and they block lots of sites (of interest to them - anti-Chinese etc) with in one go. Currently the sites that get block deliberately (tartgetted blocking) move around between Hosting Companies anyway, Powweb loses some on a regular basis (judging by the posts on here) and I would assume other companies do so as well.
EDIT: I was typing as SteveL posted :)
stephenlee
11-25-04, 04:16 PM
Some of my clients are complaining they can't access my site. They come mainly from Indonesia and China, the rest are ok. What I want to know is what is the problem? Is powweb blocking ISPs from certain countries?? Below is the tracert from one of my visitors who cant access my site.
Tracing route to 66.152.98.21
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 192.168.0.4
2 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 202.155.94.197
3 <10 ms <10 ms 16 ms 202.155.60.105
4 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 202.155.27.29
5 <10 ms 16 ms <10 ms 202.155.137.233
6 172 ms 188 ms 187 ms 500.POS2-1.IG2.SAC1.ALTER.NET [157.130.210.217]
7 187 ms 188 ms 171 ms 0.so-0-0-0.XR2.SAC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.54.118]
8 172 ms 188 ms 187 ms 0.so-0-1-0.XL2.SAC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.54.5]
9 188 ms 187 ms 188 ms 0.so-6-0-0.XL2.SCL2.ALTER.NET [152.63.54.129]
10 188 ms 187 ms * 0.so-6-0-0.BR1.SCL2.ALTER.NET [152.63.57.49]
11 188 ms 203 ms 187 ms p4-1-2-0.r00.mlpsca01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.9
.181]
12 188 ms 219 ms 203 ms p16-0-1-2.r21.mlpsca01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.
2.241]
13 203 ms 203 ms 203 ms p16-1-1-1.r20.lsanca01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.
5.96]
14 203 ms 187 ms 188 ms ge-1.a01.lsanca18.us.ra.verio.net [129.250.29.12
2]
15 187 ms 203 ms 203 ms ge-6-2.a00.lsanca16.us.ra.verio.net [129.250.29.
116]
16 203 ms 203 ms 219 ms ge-3-1.a00.lsanca16.us.ce.verio.net [209.189.123
.6]
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 * * * Request timed out.
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 * * * Request timed out.
22 * * * Request timed out.
23 * * * Request timed out.
24 * * * Request timed out.
25 * * * Request timed out.
26 * * * Request timed out.
27 * * * Request timed out.
28 * * * Request timed out.
29 * * * Request timed out.
30 * * * Request timed out.
It's the governments of China and Indonesia that are doing the blocking - many other reports of this. Nothing PowWeb can do about it. Those governments block IP addresses of hosts with sites they don't approve of, and whenyou're using a shared host such as PowWeb, everyone gets caught up in the mess.
It's the governments of China and Indonesia that are doing the blocking - many other reports of this. Nothing PowWeb can do about it. Those governments block IP addresses of hosts with sites they don't approve of, and whenyou're using a shared host such as PowWeb, everyone gets caught up in the mess.
Just curious... Why dont they APPROVE OF POWWEB?
It's not Powweb that they don't approve of, it's some of the sites hosted on Powwebs servers.
Ahh .. SO they dont like some of the powweb sites, so they just block powweb.. I see...
well considering china's sites, thats a far cry to block them.
They have more coruption their within their sites than powweb does..
Another brain stormer behind the computer hitting the keys...
Ahh .. SO they dont like some of the powweb sites, so they just block powweb.. I see...
They block one site but it has the effect of blocking all sites from that shared host.
cjmelhorn
11-28-04, 05:54 PM
Glad that I do not live in China! Hard to believe that the govt. can work to block certain IP addresses. Really is ashame sometimes, to think how other govt agencies work, and attempt to keep thier opinions as the only correct opinion.
I'm not sure whats up but I have a man from china that says he is unable to access my site, or ping it even ... www.sosuke.com
any ideas what could be the issue?
Builder
11-28-04, 11:17 PM
See this thread:
http://forum.powweb.com/showthread.php?t=43663
Good luck,
Kevin
ain't Communism grand, an interesting site culled from the internet:
http://www.dit-inc.us/report/hj.htm
tbonekkt
12-1-04, 06:08 PM
Found this interesting...now the Chinese government is blocking Google:An online news service recently launched by Google, the world's leading internet search company, has been hit by serious access problems in China that are being blamed by some experts on government blocking.News link: http://news.ft.com/cms/s/b5ed45e4-4396-11d9-af06-00000e2511c8.html
my website has been blocked by China SINCE powweb changed IP adress ,could u change it back~
PowWeb has said it won't change servers or IPs for this - China keeps finding new IPs to block, so it's just a matter of time.
The recent IP change was done to enhance the service - it's not going to be changed back.
At last, I know that only some site that the government is trying to block. That is not necessarily yours. Because we are on shared server, so one site blocked, it affects the rest.
And I don't think a site with pretty logos are harmful to anyone at all :D
China is so scared of EVERYthing...blocks everything...hiding everything...one day it will collapse under the weight it carries because there's no vent...when it does...it will be overnight.
I know sites that have links to sites(not too friendly toward China) Chinese government blocked...those sites are hosted by powweb but still not blocked by Chinese search engines. Do you really think it's possible to block ALL? Not a chance.
I have the same problem: customers in China can't access my web site. Any solution?
I have the same problem: customers in China can't access my web site. Any solution?
The best solution? Get your own server and only host your site on the server. Like it has been stating before, China is blocking IP addresses, on shared hosting if they block one site, they block them all on that server.
nbuzdor@project
12-8-04, 02:47 PM
I have the same problem: customers in China can't access my web site. Any solution?
This may not be the BEST solution, but it's worth a mention. Have any of you considered buying webspace from a server IN China? I'm confident that the prices would be competitive, and that MasterCard would do the currency conversion for you. The only downside would be that you could not put up anti-Chinese-government banter as the content of the site (there may be other censorship issues). But if you're talking about commerce, customer access, and users' being able to log in, you could go that way.
Before you get too upset about government censorship, realize that the beacon of freedom in the world, the ol' U.S. of A., is considering similar measures to prevent sexual predation of minors via the internet. There are many who would say that's unfair censorship... though I am not one of them.
briangorman
12-9-04, 05:28 AM
If I buy webspace from China, can I use the same email address I currently have (that is not accesible in China) or must I choose a different address since the name will already exist. My comany operates from Ireland but we deal with Chinese property investments so need the address to be accessed regulary from China. What do you think the best option would be?
If I buy webspace from China, can I use the same email address I currently have (that is not accesible in China) or must I choose a different address since the name will already exist. My comany operates from Ireland but we deal with Chinese property investments so need the address to be accessed regulary from China. What do you think the best option would be?It will depend on whether it is the e-mail address is blocked (individually) or the server that it is being sent to/from.
If it is the first, then a new address will be needed. If it is the latter, then it will depend on the features offered by the web-space company in China. You may like to investigate having some of your site reside in China, and part outside.
chedong
12-16-04, 12:42 PM
check this:
http://forum.powweb.com/showthread.php?t=44264
Then can I come to the conclusion that only my site is banned by the Chinese government ? But it doesn't make sense though, since I got another site using domain pointing. It also got banned.
www.foreseefuture.com
Oh, I forgot to tell, I can access both my www.englishdaily626.com and www.foreseefuture.com
waiting for your reply
the hole powweb was blocked:
I can't traceroute to vip of powweb: www1-www13 and www14-20
66.152.98.202
Hostname %Loss Rcv Snt Last Best Avg Worst
1. 211.152.33.1 0% 13 13 0 0 1 7
2. 211.152.63.29 0% 13 13 0 0 0 0
3. 211.152.63.42 0% 13 13 0 0 0 1
4. 61.152.87.165 0% 13 13 1 0 1 1
5. 61.152.81.81 0% 13 13 1 0 1 1
6. 202.101.63.254 0% 13 13 1 0 1 7
7. 202.97.37.54 0% 13 13 1 0 1 10
but know I use local dns and point my host to www14 still got:
Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@chedong.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
chedong
12-16-04, 12:46 PM
they block the web sites, not block mail server ip, so if you use vip of powweb's dns package you will got blocked.
If you use other dns and point to one of www14-20 maybe cause some error on powweb frontend:
I meet the powweb-bin/php4/index.php not found problem and current internel server error problems
Che Dong
http://www.chedong.com
chedong
12-16-04, 12:57 PM
Could we buy a new ip for domain?
but know I use local dns and point my host to www14 still got: Internal Server ErrorYou cannot point dns to a specific web server anymore. Doing so subverts the load balancing process, so we prevent it.
chedong
12-16-04, 02:28 PM
You cannot point dns to a specific web server anymore. Doing so subverts the load balancing process, so we prevent it.
How can I do now? I reactived DNS, and added some domain:
Zone Modified... Awaiting Update...
(modified zones are updated every 5 minutes.)
Service Status: active [ Deactivate]
Package Service ID: 572317
Last Modified: Thu Dec 16 11:08:28 2004
start of authority (SOA) Serial 1103224108
Refresh 10800 (3 hours)
Retry 3600 (1 hour)
Expire 604800 (1 week)
TTL (time to live) 86400 (1 day)
name server (NS) Server: ns3.powweb.com
Server: ns2.powweb.com
address (A) Hostname: localhost IP: 127.0.0.1
Hostname: mail IP: 66.152.97.39
Hostname: chedong.com IP: 66.152.98.113 [Delete]
Hostname: www.chedong.com IP: 66.152.98.113 [Delete]
Hostname: weblog.chedong.com IP: 66.152.98.113 [Delete]
mail exchanger (MX) Host: @ Priority: 10 Mail Server: mail
canonical name (CNAME) Alias: pop Hostname: mail
Alias: webmail Hostname: webmail.powweb.com.
text record (TXT) (None)
but I still can't active my http service? why?
chedong
tbonekkt
12-16-04, 02:57 PM
address (A) Hostname: localhost IP: 127.0.0.1
Hostname: mail IP: 66.152.97.39
Hostname: chedong.com IP: 66.152.98.113 [Delete]
Hostname: www.chedong.com IP: 66.152.98.113 [Delete]
Hostname: weblog.chedong.com IP: 66.152.98.113 [Delete] Delete those last three entries - they're not needed if we're managing your DNS (if your nameservers are pointed to ns2.powweb.com & ns3.powweb.com - we're managing your DNS). In fact, it appears that's why your HTTP was deactivated. You received an email from us stating not to point your DNS directly to a webserver as that does circumvent the load balancing.
chedong
12-16-04, 03:07 PM
Delete those last three entries - they're not needed if we're managing your DNS (if your nameservers are pointed to ns2.powweb.com & ns3.powweb.com - we're managing your DNS). In fact, it appears that's why your HTTP was deactivated. You received an email from us stating not to point your DNS directly to a webserver as that does circumvent the load balancing.
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but if use vip, still blocked by China ISP...
tbonekkt
12-16-04, 03:10 PM
but if use vip, still blocked by China ISP...And unfortunately, that's out of our hands.
codeidea
12-21-04, 09:13 PM
I am a chinese user.
http://www.codeidea.net is also blocked,I am crying, who can help me?
tbonekkt
12-21-04, 09:21 PM
There is nothing PowWeb can do to resolve this. The problem is the Chinese government.
I am a chinese user.
http://www.codeidea.net is also blocked,I am crying, who can help me?The next leader of China.
There is nothing PowWeb can do to resolve this. The problem is the Chinese government.Or possibly over zealous officials. Many of the sites seem to have nothing of particular offence or irritation or even relationship to politics of any kind.
I know they're blocking individual IP addresses, and therefore on a shared host everyone ends up being blocked. What I don't understand is why they (the Chinese officials) don't simply decide on which ones to allow, rather than which ones to ban. Their work would be much simpler - allow nothing from outside of China except ..... and if anything on the except list becomes 'offensive' then simply remove it.
Maybe it's a good job I'm not a Chinese official :rolleyes:
Builder
12-22-04, 10:23 AM
Maybe it's a good job I'm not a Chinese official :rolleyes:
Freedom wouldn't have a chance under your oppressive rule! :D
Maybe Powweb should have a notation in the signup pages (or maybe they already do?) similar to:
Attention to people living in China or with customers in China! The Chinese government has blocked access to some of our servers. We have no control over this and cannot change anything to unblock our servers. If you sign up for hosting with Powweb be aware that your website may not be viewable in China. For more information see [add link to this thread].
Maybe this would alleviate some of the frustration that is being vented here. It seems (to me at least) that some customers are signing up only to find out that their site isn't viewable in their country or where at least some of their customers are.
Kevin
Maybe Powweb should have a notation in the signup pages (or maybe they already do?) similar to:
Attention to people living in China or with customers in China! The Chinese government has blocked access to some of our servers. We have no control over this and cannot change anything to unblock our servers. If you sign up for hosting with Powweb be aware that your website may not be viewable in China. For more information see [add link to this thread].
Maybe this would alleviate some of the frustration that is being vented here. It seems (to me at least) that some customers are signing up only to find out that their site isn't viewable in their country or where at least some of their customers are.
Kevin
I don't think Powweb are going to draw attention to something that isn't within their control until it is common among all Web-hosts.
Why would they draw attention to the areas they don't serve? - which other web-host bothers? Remember the problem isn't solvable even by signing up with a different host, it is just delayed.
Powweb are very understanding and refund on yearly and bi-yearly plans pro-rata to those so affected.
If the prospective purchaser did some research (ie read these boards first) then they'd know of the problem and the lack of a ready made solution anywhere.
joshuamc
12-22-04, 01:11 PM
Maybe Powweb should have a notation in the signup pages (or maybe they already do?)
At this point and time we do not. As far as I have seen, no other major hosting company puts that notice up. My opinion is to not put it up because of the simple fact that Powweb may or may not be blocked. I would'nt want to know my site might not be seen in China right before inputting my credit card information. It would make me feel a little unsecured and limited but thats my opinion.
That would be why we have no problem giving a refund to those affected.
in the mean time,
chinese users can access their site by using a public proxy
joshuamc
12-23-04, 01:48 PM
chinese users can access their site by using a public proxy
Can you or anyone else direct customers on how to use a public proxy. This is foreign for a lot of people.
in the mean time,
chinese users can access their site by using a public proxyOnly while they're not blocked :(
jimwang
12-24-04, 08:46 PM
I stayed in China for several months this year. Our Chinese clients complained to me that they can not see our site in early April, 2004. In the fact, it still can not be seen today. Powweb tech support gave me its range of IPs for all their servers. I was not able to ping any of those IPs.
Getting refund is one thing, but we want a good service as you have claimed on Powweb's site. It would only takes one second of thinking on providing a solution to help all these people who need their Chinse or Indonesia clients to see their sites. This is the first time I sign in this forum. I am amazed that Powweb did not take the time to think a solution.
Can you group all those sites together onto one or more IPs who are dedeciated? Charge $2 or $3 more monthly and guarantee the access from China. Create a communication channel with Chinese ISP or some scanning task force to get report on any complaints triggerring the blocking. Remove those sites or relocate them to another server because of their violations.
Chinese government is different from rest of the world. That is known fact. Powweb should not act like them -- feeling less.
We are expecting your change.
By the way, it happend last year, after relocating our server solved the problem. However, nothing can be done this year.
Best regards,
Jim
There is no way to guarentee that the chinese goverment would allow another webhosting domain.. its too hard for them to police every single site that yet another hosting domain allows their citizens to obtain websites from. If they want to oppress their people, let them, give refunds to china, and when the time comes for the chinese people to overthrow their goverment for a more democratic reform one, or like what happend with the USSR - after Gorbechav came, allowing free speech - Hong Kong stands against everything the Chinese goverment want.. its on the edge of a cpitalist economy, and in time, that will spread to the heart of China.
(no offence those in support of china hosted powweb sites- people)
jimwang
12-25-04, 04:22 AM
Please let's not get into politics. Powweb has to provide services to all kinds of entities. To be polite to many hosting sites, sites that are involved with political contents should notify Powweb about the contents so that Powweb can arrange them into some special servers. Though owners of those sites may be doing right things politically according to their standards, but try to be sensitive to others who are not interested.
As trade deficit going up month by month, we are trying hard to earn Chinese money to reduce the deficit though we are small contributor. Our website is so important to us. Getting refund does not solve our problem.
Does any one have other solutions to offer which can solve our problems?
Jim
tbonekkt
12-25-04, 08:49 AM
Jim -
The problem with grouping the Chinese 'problem sites' is that I'm willing to bet that the Chinese government will just simply block that IP in the end as well. It's fighting a losing battle...
Please let's not get into politics. Powweb has to provide services to all kinds of entities. To be polite to many hosting sites, sites that are involved with political contents should notify Powweb about the contents so that Powweb can arrange them into some special servers. Though owners of those sites may be doing right things politically according to their standards, but try to be sensitive to others who are not interested.
As trade deficit going up month by month, we are trying hard to earn Chinese money to reduce the deficit though we are small contributor. Our website is so important to us. Getting refund does not solve our problem.
Does any one have other solutions to offer which can solve our problems?
JimWhen was disagreeing with a government not politics?
Powweb is in the business of providing web-hosting to make a profit not in the business of circumventing goverment restrictions. If by doing so it loses customers because of the action of one isolated (large) government or so then it's going to be a matter of 'so be it'.
Every customer is going to be equally important to Powweb - no one more than another. Those that can continue to be hosted without a problem are more profitable and continue to be the reason that Powweb exist. Changing governments or government policies or getting round them isn't the role of any hosting company.
If someone wishes to make politics with hosting, let them run their own server with their own IP address. That is most likely going to circumvent some government restrictions, for a while. Changing that single IP is going to be much easier than changing hosts or getting a host to change servers.
Basically, Powweb shared hosting isn't for you - or any other shared hosting -if your site is unfortunate to be chosen to be blocked by a particular government. (BTW - this applies to those who wish to avoid British, US or German governments as well as those who aviod Chinese or Indonesian or Australian intervention.)
Does China block sites from neutral countries such as Swiz
Does China block sites from neutral countries such as SwizChina blocks sites from anywhere that it doesn't agree with either because of adult content or political opinion - innocent sites also end up blocked because of shared hosting.
billhunter
12-26-04, 02:06 PM
Block is one thing, service is another thing. I think that the PowWeb should do something like send e-mail or call the Chinese government to discuss and solve the problems. Only in this way, the problem will be solved. Remember, the Chinese government is more open in nowadays and if you try to discuss with them friendly, they will also try from their side to solve the problem.
joshuamc
12-26-04, 02:21 PM
Block is one thing, service is another thing. I think that the PowWeb should do something like send e-mail or call the Chinese government to discuss and solve the problems. Only in this way, the problem will be solved. Remember, the Chinese government is more open in nowadays and if you try to discuss with them friendly, they will also try from their side to solve the problem.
Wow. You would like Powweb to contact the Chinese government and ask them politely to remove our servers from their blacklist??? :confused:
Wow. You would like Powweb to contact the Chinese government and ask them politely to remove our servers from their blacklist??? :confused:And while you have them on the phone . . .
Block is one thing, service is another thing. I think that the PowWeb should do something like send e-mail or call the Chinese government to discuss and solve the problems. Only in this way, the problem will be solved. Remember, the Chinese government is more open in nowadays and if you try to discuss with them friendly, they will also try from their side to solve the problem.Those with the issue - those not seeing the web-sites, these are the ones who should be contacting the restricting governments - of course there is a great likelyhood that they'd disappear or suddenly find they have lost their job.
billhunter
12-26-04, 08:50 PM
I am really tired of teaching my clients how to use proxy. I really hope that Powweb servers can be removed from the block list. I think at least you should try. :p
Maybe I am dreaming of something, but what can I do then? Maybe nearly $100 is nothing at all for those businessman who making international business, but for me, as I am a poor Chinese student in Malta, it's really a lot. I just want to open a forum for our Chinese in Malta but of course students' parents want to see what we are doing here as well. They complained about non-reachable website for several days and what can I do? :(
:'(
I am really tired of teaching my clients how to use proxy. I really hope that Powweb servers can be removed from the block list. I think at least you should try. :p
Maybe I am dreaming of something, but what can I do then? Maybe nearly $100 is nothing at all for those businessman who making international business, but for me, as I am a poor Chinese student in Malta, it's really a lot. I just want to open a forum for our Chinese in Malta but of course students' parents want to see what we are doing here as well. They complained about non-reachable website for several days and what can I do? :(
:'(Get the parents to complain to the Government - maybe some are influencial enough to be able to complain safely.
As mentioned many times, it's the innocent that get caught on a shared hosting system.
Also, as mentioned earlier, try and get your own IP address - that way you can direct them to your site. It's simple, shared hosting won't work for the parents in China to access the site. ANY shared hosting will have the same problem, fairly quickly.
What motivation would China have for removing the block?
my site (www.nagoyajax.com) is on www16.powweb.com web server. Our customers in China can access www16.powweb.com, but can NOT access www.nagayajax.com! Why?
When I ping www.nagoyajax.com, it return:
Reply from 66.152.98.202: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=53Reply from 66.152.98.202: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=53
seems like 66.152.98.202 is one of 2 load balancing servers. Does it mean the load balancing server is blocked by China? Anyone in another load balancing server sufer the same issue?
By the way, what is the purpose of the load balancing server? What relationship between load balancing server and web server?
Can someone briefly describe the proxy solution?
Thanks.
Builder
12-28-04, 05:11 PM
By the way, what is the purpose of the load balancing server? What relationship between load balancing server and web server?
A fairly rudimentary answer to these questions:
http://powweb.com/PowWeb/Technology/Overview
Edit: Heh, just noticed this -- run your mouse cursor over the graphics to see how one down machine affects the flow. Pretty nifty illustration.
Kevin
tbonekkt
12-28-04, 05:41 PM
By the way, what is the purpose of the load balancing server? What relationship between load balancing server and web server?In addition to what Builder already suggested, take a look at my responses in this thread: http://forum.powweb.com/showthread.php?t=44718
Builder
12-28-04, 05:44 PM
Yeah, I saw that thread *after* I had posted and edited. Just didn't feel like adding to it again. Call it laziness.... :D
Kevin
StregaOne
1-7-05, 06:56 PM
Can anyone tell me why suddenly no clicks from China on my website ? I wonder if China government bans sites hosted by powweb or some other reasons ? Because it doesn't make sense to me if they ban my website since it is an English site.
not sure if this was mentioned but after my visit there last spring it may be down to the fact that alot of the area does not have power 100% of the time. Factories are shut down or on generators 3-4 days a week...
it could very well be that china got 'shut off' for a period of time. its nothing like here their govenment could do that.
It has been unable to link to my websites all the time from China, make me step forward my websites. PowWeb is really a very good hosting company, I like here very much, but Great Firewall of China enabling my leaving here temporarily.
I leave this message, if PowWeb can or already solve(d) this interception problem, please in this message, I will receive the mail notice, I will come back here again.
It has been unable to link to my websites all the time from China, make me step forward my websites. PowWeb is really a very good hosting company, I like here very much, but Great Firewall of China enabling my leaving here temporarily.
I leave this message, if PowWeb can or already solve(d) this interception problem, please in this message, I will receive the mail notice, I will come back here again.We're all sorry that the Great Firewall of China has caused you to leave Powweb, but fully understand your decision.
It is unlikely that Powweb will solve the problem, as the problem isn't within the capabilities to solve. They can't change the policies of the Government of China.
Look forward to bright future!
We should all start blocking them (china) from our sites in the usa.
Wait then all the spam mail and junk will never come into our email boxes... :D
The point of this thread has been made, so we're going to close it. We can discuss load balancing in other threads, and it is beyond our capability to determine why the government of China does what it does. As Lao Tzu said, "People are difficult to govern because they have too much knowledge."
But perhaps poet Li Po put it best; "We sit together, the mountain and me, until only the mountain remains."
You can find more information on think link. http://www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0,7369,1349348,00.html
If you do a search on google for "great firewall of china" or "china internet censorship", you will find plenty of information about it.
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