Why is every 500,000 / 780,000 hits topic being shut?

[NeilFawcett]

Seems every thread regarding these new limits are being merged into one thread nobody can contribute to?

[alphadesk]

Andrew has answered the questions. What more do you want to discuss?

[NeilFawcett]

The last two threads I've seen, I've come back to answer someone's question/point and the thread has gone, or been shut etc...

If this is the intended policy on the matter... Just so I know not to waste my time in future discussing it.

[Andrew]

Hi NeilFawcett,

We have a thread below with over 100 posts regarding this matter so I figure it was best to end that where it is. If you have any other input, feel free to discuss whatever else in on your mind.

http://forum.powweb.com/showthread.php?t=48208

[NeilFawcett]

Thanks...

Just don't see the need to close an active thread... The fact it had a 100 replies shows it was an active/popular discussion point.

On at least one other thread (on the topic in question), there was discussion in progress, and then it simply got moved/combined into the thread you've linked to, therefore again culling the discussion.

I don't mean to be difficult etc, just pointing out something I see as being a little odd.

[KimmiKat]

This is going to be a hot topic for short while, so one thread should remain open until the subject dies. There was a simular thread on WHT and it died out after a few days.

[Andrew]

sure, you guys are welcome to continue on here. Most of the stuff said are redundant and I like to close out any threads once I feel it's been fully discussed, especially, when the thread is over 100 posts. Free free to carry on.

[NeilFawcett]

sure, you guys are welcome to continue on here. Most of the stuff said are redundant and I like to close out any threads once I feel it's been fully discussed, especially, when the thread is over 100 posts. Free free to carry on.

I also find it particularly interesting that my "reputation" has been hit twice (in 24hrs) by moderators for posting on this topic. Baffling!

[NeilFawcett]

This is going to be a hot topic for short while, so one thread should remain open until the subject dies. There was a simular thread on WHT and it died out after a few days.

Yup... Important people should be able to discuss it though so a cross section of opinion can be seen. Also VERY important to discuss how people can reduce/improve their sites hits. I know at least now in my case I've far more likely to reach the hits limit, before bandwidth.

I know now I'm actively looking at ways of reducing it - Which in itself can only be a good thing I guess...

[cyberCrank]

NeilFawcett++

I also find it particularly interesting that my "reputation" has been hit twice (in 24hrs) by moderators for posting on this topic. Baffling!
Because your posts were respectful (seems to me), I find this interesting or "strange" too and think the Admins and/or Moderators should maybe explain why(?) so others can better understand the rationale and thinking...

Respectfully,
cyberCrank

[IanS]

NeilFawcett++


Because your posts were respectful (seems to me), I find this interesting or "strange" too and think the Admins and/or Moderators should maybe explain why(?) so others can better understand the rationale and thinking...

Respectfully,
cyberCrankThe opportunity to 'explain why' is available when we give points, so presumably is equally available when they remove them - they have chosen not to justify their choice of removing points.

I would hope that some field appears where they can (and do) enter a reason privately within the 'Power Users' system, so that should someone really take issue with the points being removed (ie in a legal action as they 'may' feel a damage to professional reputation) then records will exist.

BTW, I like the idea of the 'Reputation' points being called 'Power Points' as suggested in another post.

[Alli]

I would hope that some field appears where they can (and do) enter a reason privately within the 'Power Users' system, so that should someone really take issue with the points being removed (ie in a legal action as they 'may' feel a damage to professional reputation) then records will exist.
Yep, VBulletin's great that way. I don't know how it works here, but at the VB board I moderate, nothing is ever permanently deleted, and every user has a "user notes" section in their profile where moderators can make comments about actions taken against them, etc.

[KimmiKat]

There's a thread in the Chit-chat sub-forum about the reputation system since this one is more about opinions about the hit limits. Also doing a search on vB's own forum will give insight on how the reputation system works.

Link: http://forum.powweb.com/showthread.php?t=48469

[NeilFawcett]

Just out of interest, if the hits limit is now measured per-hour to prevent "server spikes", why isn't the bandwidth measured per-hour as well?

[Croc Hunter]

Seems every thread regarding these new limits are being merged into one thread nobody can contribute to?
Because powweb is dumbing you down, grinding all the petty little nancy boys into salt for the powweb canteen. HaHa. Seriously, it's because people wander way off topic and turn the thread into a spleen venting one. Just like you and others did here about closed posts and rep points. You aren't "contributing" anything to the original topic. BTW.. it wasn't me, but I easily see why they did slam you, and now I'm tempted to slam you to.

Bandwidth and the other limits are monitored constantly. If you were to use over 5Gigs in one day or in 10 minutes you would be shutdown. If you go over 32 500 hits in an hour you will be shutdown. If you demand more than 10% CPU for 60 sec's or longer you will be shutdown. These limits are in place so 99.5% of powwebs customers enjoy a stable fast reliable service.

[NeilFawcett]

Because powweb is dumbing you down, grinding all the petty little nancy boys into salt for the powweb canteen. HaHa. Seriously, it's because people wander way off topic and turn the thread into a spleen venting one. Just like you and others did here about closed posts and rep points. You aren't "contributing" anything to the original topic. BTW.. it wasn't me, but I easily see why they did slam you, and now I'm tempted to slam you to.

Bandwidth and the other limits are monitored constantly. If you were to use over 5Gigs in one day or in 10 minutes you would be shutdown. If you go over 32 500 hits in an hour you will be shutdown. If you demand more than 10% CPU for 60 sec's or longer you will be shutdown. These limits are in place so 99.5% of powwebs customers enjoy a stable fast reliable service.

I 'm afraid I have to disagree. Powweb introduced a new limitation to their hosting package. Naturally it is going to be a hot topic for a while. Confused, I simply asked why these threads were closed. Likewise, when baffled why I seemingly have moderators taking a dislike to posts I've made on this forum, and giving me negative reputation with absolutely no explanation, I asked why.

I have approached these two matters in the best way I know how; to talk about them. I apologize if this is "spleen venting", and if you feel this makes you feel like "slamming me" :confused:


I'm not quite sure if you've simply for some reason taken offense to my previous question?!? Quite simply I was asking if hits is now being measured on an hourly basis to prevent "spikes". I wondered why bandwidth wasn't treated in the same way, ie: Allow 200 odd meg an hour to prevent "spikes".

[Croc Hunter]

NeilFawcett: No need to apologise, As I said, you are entitled to an opinion and to express it. Let's just keep it on topic.
Quite simply I was asking if hits is now being measured on an hourly basis to prevent "spikes". I wondered why bandwidth wasn't treated in the same way, ie: Allow 200 odd meg an hour to prevent "spikes". The web doesn't quite work that way, if you look at your stats or logs you'll see there are peak times when people are accessing your website, the peak load time for your site will vary according to content/visitors habits etc. eg: a nightclub site might get hit more at 3am after drunken clubbers come home and visit each page 50 times. For a simple page even 5000 times it isn't going to be a problem with regard to hits/hr. With bandwidth an errant script, exploited script, or an attack on your site can be things that take one click to execute yet punch you over the bandwidth limit in no time. Checking it hourly is to late.

Forget 200mb/hr or any/hr. 'Innocent' people here have been hacked by having crappy scripts on their site, and pushed over 5Gb in minutes. Usually the +60sec/x10%/cpu drain is the first indicator of abuse, then bandwidth, then hits. But they are all related and indicate abuse. So as I said, the 5Gb bandwidth limit is calculated per day but is monitored constantly for abuse.

I hope that makes sense Neil, There are far more important things to concentrate on I'm sure. Just know Powweb is doing all they can to ensure your service.

[linnetwoods]

it should depend upon the nature of the site whether a busy client is asked to go elswehere when stretching PowWeb's resources? A quick review of a busy site would soon give staff a hint.
If the site is clearly earning the owner pots of money, then maybe he or she is just being greedy wanting to use a shared service that costs very little to enjoy.

If the owner of the site probably couldn't afford to be hosted more expensively, then staff might decide to make an exception or suggest to the owner that they purchase some extra space. Mine is typical of the type of site to which this might, eventually, apply.

Some of the websites on my domain are littered with Google ads, Amazon and AllPoster links and some include PayPal Contribute buttons, but my income since I first joined PowWeb has been US$2.10 so far! Very few people have visited my domain, until now, (about 350), partly because I have deliberately avoided attracting them until ready.

Although some of the sites are still not ready, I am only just putting meta tags onto pages this week and will soon be actively looking for visitors. Since there are some sites that are non-profit - a freeware site, a nautical magazine etc., I like to think that people will enjoy them and it will not break the bank for me to pay the hosting fees to allow them to be able to do so.

If visitors begin to decide to increase my wealth, so much the better, but it would be a shame if those sites became popular without my wealth increasing and PowWeb asked me to take my business elsewhere!

Could busy clients not just be asked to pay for a second package or to pay a set rate per hit over the limit or whatever, rather than being asked to go elsewhere? Perhaps, also, a calculation could be made deducting the amount of web space left over from the bandwidth usage. i.e. All my sites combined are certainly not occupying more than two or three hundred megabytes. That leaves the remainder of 2 gigabytes available for use by someone else. If someone has zillions of images on a site that is visited by 25 people a week, by invitation only, and someone else has far less stuff online but many more visitors, are they not complementing each other in some way?

I guess it also depends on just how many people are 'over the limit'. Wouldn't you just love to be one of them, assuming that some reasonable percentage of your hits were from people prepared to pay for something you offered, and know how popular website had become?!

[NeilFawcett]

Could busy clients not just be asked to pay for a second package or to pay a set rate per hit over the limit or whatever, rather than being asked to go elsewhere? Perhaps, also, a calculation could be made deducting the amount of web space left over from the bandwidth usage. i.e. All my sites combined are certainly not occupying more than two or three hundred megabytes. That leaves the remainder of 2 gigabytes available for use by someone else. If someone has zillions of images on a site that is visited by 25 people a week, by invitation only, and someone else has far less stuff online but many more visitors, are they not complementing each other in some way?

I guess it also depends on just how many people are 'over the limit'. Wouldn't you just love to be one of them, assuming that some reasonable percentage of your hits were from people prepared to pay for something you offered, and know how popular website had become?!

I think Powweb keep it simple. They support one package and that's it. If you go over the "limits" then you need to buy two packages.

Would be kinda nice though if you could simply pay double to double your hits/bandwidth quota etc.

[IanS]

I think Powweb keep it simple. They support one package and that's it. If you go over the "limits" then you need to buy two packages.

Would be kinda nice though if you could simply pay double to double your hits/bandwidth quota etc.That's what you can do.... by buying a second package around a sub-domain of your main domain and spreading the load. More work for the web-site owner, but entirely possible.

[NeilFawcett]

That's what you can do.... by buying a second package around a sub-domain of your main domain and spreading the load. More work for the web-site owner, but entirely possible.

Agreed, but obviously not as straight forward as just paying twice the amount and doubling the limits on your existing site. I assume Powweb don't do this as they don't want to go to the hassle of varying packages per user. This is understandable, but obviously a shame from our point of view as such a solution would make "scaling up" far far easier. ie: Doubling your hits limit would just be a matter of paying double. You'd have no need to buy another server/area and start splitting your files over the two.