Here is a tip on how to get listed in Google in 48 hours [Archive]

dantol

4-23-05, 11:38 PM

Everybody wants to get listed in Google as soon as possible and we can all agree with this statement. We all want our web statistics to go up and up, higher and higher, until we achieve that first 1 million impressions with our new websites. As you know, life just gets easier when you have 1 million page impressions per month. With an income of $7000 to $9000 a month, even the spoilest brat can life comfortably. But that's another story (we can discuss it next time), now let's stick to how to get listed in Google in 48 hours.

What I find interesting is that Google spiders high traffic forums on a daily basis, powweb forum included. Now, if you post a link to your web page in your signature, Google will find it and in 90% of cases your page will appear in Google withing 48 hours. Now the only problem with this technique is that Google will spider only 1 page, it will not go deeper. Now, look at my signature, there are at least 20 links (which I use as a demonstration and will remove them in 2 days or so). They are not spidered by Google yet, but what will happen is, Google will visit this topic probably several hours after I post it, and this topic will get spidered within 24 - 48 hours along with all the links posted. Now, sit down and watch Google do the job.

Thank you for reading! Did you find this tip helpful?

john942

4-24-05, 12:32 AM

dantol

4-24-05, 03:19 AM

I have been involved in SEO for sometime and I don't thing that will make any difference. It seems that Google intends to only list your domain name first/index page and after a few days to a week or so later it will then start deep linking into your site. I think it just starts be linking one level deep and then about a few weeks later it will dig down another level into your site and so on. I'm not 100% sure, but I think Google only digs down 3 levels into any site.
yes, exactly - at first, it's only 1 page, usually your domain, but that is why you have to implement direct links, so google can find it directly (If you look at my signature, all this content will be crawled in 48 hours, but anyways, I will delete it as soon as I publish my new website content).

anyways, you said Google digs only 3 levels deep into any site, interesting..

please tell me more, cuz I am building a huge financial website (I haven't published it yet!)

When you say '3 levels deep' what do you actually mean?

Some of my pages will be like this:
dantol.com/mutual_funds/data/ <-- would content in data be considered a second level?

john942

4-24-05, 05:13 AM

OK!

This is quite hard to talk about as I don't quite know how to put it.

But anyway.

Say that my site got into Google and no other site at all linked to my site. Well if I had my index page linked to a games page and then I had my games page linked to a sub games page and then within that page it had a page 2 and within both them pages I actually had the games which you can play then I will have two linking stuctures like the following:

(Stucture 1) Index > Main Games Page > Sub Games Page > Games that you can play

(Stucture 2) Index > Main Games Page > Sub Games Page > Sub Games Page 2 > Games that you can play

As you can see this was the stucture of my site for my games section. I found that all my pages in stucture 1 was listed within Google include every game that could be played.

I then found that all the pages listed within stucture 2 was listed apart from all the games that could be played on that page as Google add to crawl my site 4 levels deep to get to them Games.

I'm not sure, but if you directly link to them games from other sites. Then Google may crawl them.

But anyway. What I had done was to change my linking stucture completing by using sub domains for the games section as I believe that Google treats this just like and index page so now I will have the following instead:

(Stucture 1) Main Games Page (now the index) > Sub Games Page > Games that you can play

(Stucture 2) Main Games Page (now the index) > Sub Games Page > Sub Games Page 2 > Games that you can play

I don't know if you have realised, but that is why alot of forums are starting to add an achieve to their site.

This is because as the thread get older they get pushed deeper and deeper into the site where google doesn't go as it is more than three levels deep.

With the archieve it is a different sorry as they make a php script so that it has about 150 threads on a page and every page that a particular forum has is listed on every page.

So instead of seeing this the following on the normal forum view:

Back 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - Next

You will see something like the following in the achieve:

page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, and so on with about 150 thread in each page. Thats also why the archieve is quite plan any way. It is kind of similar to a link farm or a site map for the forum.

I hope you can understand what I have written as I found it rather hard to describe.

I don't know if I am accurate, but anyway they seemed to crawl my site only 3 levels deep. So I imagin they do it to others.

At first I thought that they may crawl deeper into a site as it gets older, but they seemed to not do it for my site so I then had no choice, but had to restructure the whole of my sites internal links.

I think that they only crawl a certain deepness so that they can try and get the most updated information within their search engines as many sites normally organized things like articles and things similar to that by date. So the nearest is at the top and the oldest then gets lost deep into the site.

john942

4-24-05, 05:16 AM

When you say '3 levels deep' what do you actually mean?

Some of my pages will be like this:
dantol.com/mutual_funds/data/ <-- would content in data be considered a second level?

It all depends. If your homepage links straight to data then it will be one level deep. if your homepage doesn't link to it but another page that is linked straight from your homepage links to it then it will be two levels deep.

I hope you can see what I am trying to get accrossed.

YvetteKuhns

4-24-05, 06:59 PM

If you get links from websites that are listed on Google, the Google search engine robot Googlebot may follow the link from that website to yours. If you get websites to link to other pages and not just the home page, that will help the robots find those pages.

Googlebot can visit your site within 48 hours IF it happens to revisit the page where your link is AND it refreshes its contents. Inktomi refreshes every 48 hours (at least it used to do so), so those links could be found faster. Forum contents change frequently and always have new contents. When robots see changes, they come to refresh the pages.

How can you get search engines to index deeper than the index page and its subpages? Try a site map that has all of the links on one page if this is possible. Converting the long php addresses to replace special characters with slashes helped some of our clients, especially when we used keyword phrases instead of cat=3. But getting links to your deeper pages is helpful.

linnetwoods

4-24-05, 07:07 PM

Well, I'm fascinated to see what happens so I'll add to my new signature... How do I make my link not have to be my full URL?

dantol

4-24-05, 08:32 PM

incorrect
And that's all you have to say?
What I said is correct - read my first post for an explanation, don't take my words out of context - I know this from my experience.
This only refers to high traffic forums who are visited by Google on a daily basis.

dantol

4-24-05, 08:36 PM

I'm not sure, but if you directly link to them games from other sites. Then Google may crawl them.

Yes, it will crawl them. Put them directly into your signature, open a fresh new topic and wait.

dantol

4-24-05, 08:39 PM

If you get links from websites that are listed on Google, the Google search engine robot Googlebot may follow the link from that website to yours. If you get websites to link to other pages and not just the home page, that will help the robots find those pages.

Googlebot can visit your site within 48 hours IF it happens to revisit the page where your link is AND it refreshes its contents. Inktomi refreshes every 48 hours (at least it used to do so), so those links could be found faster. Forum contents change frequently and always have new contents. When robots see changes, they come to refresh the pages.
That's exactly what I am trying to explain.

How can you get search engines to index deeper than the index page and its subpages? Try a site map that has all of the links on one page if this is possible. Converting the long php addresses to replace special characters with slashes helped some of our clients, especially when we used keyword phrases instead of cat=3. But getting links to your deeper pages is helpful.
Site map is a must, BUT don't put more than 100 links on 1 page.

dantol

4-24-05, 08:40 PM

Well, I'm fascinated to see what happens so I'll add to my new signature... How do I make my link not have to be my full URL?
Put also links to some pages that were not indexed. Don't forget to start a new, fresh topic. This one was probably crawled earlier today. Anyways, good luck. :)

john942

4-24-05, 09:51 PM

I know that you can get a site added to Google within about 48 - 72 hrs by adding you sites link within your forums signature. But I don't know if it will work with your sub links that aren't the index page.

Also, I made a site map and I could have also linked to every page that was 3 levels deep and more by linking straight to them from external sites, but to be truthful. I redesigned the way my whole internal linking structure works, which involved me also using sub domains to get more index pages within Google.

I done this as in the long run it is 100% alot better than using a large site map and also linking to every page that is 3 levels and more deep as my site is very large and will be over 1 million pages big very soon, hopefully before the end of this year.

linnetwoods

4-25-05, 08:24 AM

Well, I'm fascinated to see what happens so I'll add to my new signature... How do I make my link not have to be my full URL?

What I was trying to ask was, how do I make a link on a PowWeb signature that says "Linnet Woods Associates" but is a link to my homepage... :confused:

jschein

4-25-05, 10:28 AM

Linnet Woods Associates (http://www.linnetwoods.com)

Linnet Woods Associates

UR1 should be URL and h**p should be http

NMS

4-25-05, 01:24 PM

It is worth adding that it is not that easy to get listed in Yahoo!.

I have a website which is scrolled by google a number of days per day and any new website listed in there will be searchable within 48 hours however at that stage there is still no great search results with the keywords .. however at least is indexed.

casbboy

4-25-05, 03:59 PM

Actually, I heard google knows to AVOID links in signatures of popular forums. But I think you could try placing your link in your post [still unsure on that one].

When I created my 2nd entertainment site I just put a link from Movie Trailers (http://www.canmag.com) to it. I got traffic from google within 48 hours. Yahoo took about five days to get traffic from.

Ryan

casbboy

4-25-05, 04:01 PM

I have a website which is scrolled by google a number of days per day and any new website listed in there will be searchable within 48 hours however at that stage there is still no great search results with the keywords .. however at least is indexed.

I can keep refreshing my awstats every twenty minutes and see that Google has visited [more hits]. Google visits my site a ton, every twenty minutes is my best estimate.

Ryan

dantol

4-25-05, 04:37 PM

RESULTS: It's been less than 48 hours and my pages are listed in GOOGLE, here is the proof, check it out: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&lr=&q=+site:www.dantol.com+dantol

If you found my tips helpful, please add to my reputation. Thank you.

casbboy

4-25-05, 04:39 PM

but are you getting traffic already ? :)

dantol

4-25-05, 04:39 PM

201 referal from Google, and that's only today and now it's only 12:39pm. There is a full day in front of me.

YvetteKuhns

4-25-05, 05:17 PM

Actually, I heard google knows to AVOID links in signatures of popular forums.

It will list some results, but not all of them. If you have 200 links on the PowWeb forum, Google will probably list the top few. Many forums would not allow you to post your entire portfolio in your signature, because they would consider it spamming. I wouldn't have enough room to post all of mine. ;)

Builder

4-25-05, 05:26 PM

How do I make my link not have to be my full URL?
In your User CP, click on Edit Signature.
Place your cursor where you want the link to be.
Click the button that looks like a globe with a chain link.
Enter the text that you want to be the link.
Enter the link address.
That should do it!

If the link ends up in the wrong place you can cut-n-paste to where you want it.

Good luck,
Kevin

casbboy

4-25-05, 06:33 PM

If you have 200 links on the PowWeb forum, Google will probably list the top few

That goes for any site. If i had a site run of an incoming link on a site with 8000 pages.... Google may give me up to 20.

They filter out repetetiveness.

That is one reason why yahoo can report 11000 backlinks and google reports 900

Ryan

dantol

4-26-05, 12:05 AM

What's wrong with this forum. This is one of the newest and freshest topics and it still drops down and older topics go up (even though older topics didn't even get any replies in two weeks!)

Since 68 pages of my site were listed in Google in 24 hours, I should have changed topics to: "How to get listed in Google in 24 hours".

dantol

4-26-05, 12:07 AM

It will list some results, but not all of them. If you have 200 links on the PowWeb forum, Google will probably list the top few. Many forums would not allow you to post your entire portfolio in your signature, because they would consider it spamming. I wouldn't have enough room to post all of mine. ;)
Come on, don't you just love my signature - it only takes 2 rows (some signatures on this forum take 5 or 6 rows).

john942

4-26-05, 12:38 AM

dantol

4-26-05, 01:25 AM

It now looks like you are trying to spam this post just so you can get it listed further to the top of the forum just so that Google can crawl it sothat you can get all of the links in your signature crawled by Google quicker.
Sorry John,
that is not my intention. Google has already cralwed this topic. There is so many replies to my post and I prefer to answer all replies individually. In the future, I will try to answer all questions/comments withing 1 reply.

john942

4-26-05, 02:27 AM

Did your links all get crawled by Google then?

Are they now in the google search results?

Did it work?

By the way, I have looked at Google and don't think that this thread has been crawled by them yet.

john942

4-26-05, 02:37 AM

Hi,

Sorry for a new reply.

But I just noticed your new sig where it mentions about the contender and I have been watching now and then so I clicked on your sig.

I then noticed that on the page, which was return, it is breaking the Adsense TOS.

I'm not being mean or anything. I am just trying to let you know as I prefer that you ear it from me first so that you can change it just incase Adsense sees it and suspends your account.

In the TOS you are not ament to make sites that are just built for Adsense. Within that page, you just have a little comment and then a large Adsense ad, which is breaking their TOS as there is little content on the page, the comment is practicully telling people to click on the links, and the page is built just for the Adsense ad.

I hope you understand.

dantol

4-26-05, 03:00 AM

linnetwoods

5-6-05, 05:49 PM

Builder! I've only just discovered that you were kind enough to answer my question about how to turn a signature into a link... sorry I missed it - another one that didn't trigger an email so I never saw it or I would have come and thanked you straight away. Cheers!

Thanks all

5-7-05, 08:49 AM

Thanks everyone for the contributions to this thread. I'm sure I'm not the only novice finding these discussions very, very helpful.

Maskatay

5-10-05, 08:11 AM

Google spiders high traffic forums on a daily basis, powweb forum included. Now, if you post a link to your web page in your signature, Google will find it and in 90% of cases your page will appear in Google withing 48 hours. Did you find this tip helpful?
I certainly found it very interesting. I too agree with you. you mentioned about high traffic forums, tell me few more forum as good as this.

linnetwoods

5-10-05, 08:18 AM

Surely, everyone knows that no forum on the planet could ever be as good as this? :D

Maskatay

5-10-05, 02:08 PM

Surely, everyone knows that no forum on the planet could ever be as good as this? :D
Certainly the best i have ever found :confused:

dantol

5-11-05, 09:38 PM

I certainly found it very interesting. I too agree with you. you mentioned about high traffic forums, tell me few more forum as good as this.
There is so many of them, try: tech forums (http://www.tech-forums.net/) , trade2win (http://www.trade2win.com/boards/) , notebook forums (http://notebookforums.com/index.php?) - just to name a few.

netio

5-13-05, 07:02 AM

Thanks.

Maskatay

5-17-05, 08:35 AM

There is so many of them, try: tech forums (http://www.tech-forums.net/) , trade2win (http://www.trade2win.com/boards/) , notebook forums (http://notebookforums.com/index.php?) - just to name a few.
Many thanks.

Alma

5-17-05, 09:20 PM

There is just one thing I don't get... You are probably talking about getting indexed, or spidered by Google, not listed (as Google is not a directory!). What's such a big deal about it?? Getting indexed doesn't mean you'll appear in the search results.

There are... let me see... 95,700,000 webpages returned by Google on my keyword. My new site got spidered in 48 hours even without this forum, so what? It was obviously not even close in the search results. Now I am slowly making my way up through 95 millions, in a very tough market where dog eats dog, and I don't think any links in any forums in the world will help me in this uneasy task. ;)

casbboy

5-17-05, 10:43 PM

No, I am talking about listed.

After two days I had ~eight pages under google and they were already receiving traffic.

Now I have many more pages under google.

Trust me, incoming links get you indexed, spidered, whatever, quickly.

But I still say that SE's know how to avoid links in forum signatures.

Ryan

casbboy

5-17-05, 10:44 PM

Your right, links in forums will NOT. But incoming links with the keyphrase you are competing for will definitely give you the kick you need.

Ryan

kjsutsa

5-26-05, 05:23 PM

hope the signature trick works....

My Signature (http://www.inshorefishingwithsuperdave.com)

casbboy

5-26-05, 06:50 PM

No, no no.

You don't anchor the textlink under 'signature', you put it under 'My Signature' in your profile.

But, this does not work either. SE's don't pull the links off the sigs, and if they did they would have the wait of probably no link anyway.

But, if you still want to try, use anchor text that is the same as a keyword/phrase that you want people to search to find your site.

Ryan

YvetteKuhns

5-26-05, 08:51 PM

kjsutsa,

<a href="http://www.inshorefishingwithsuperdave.com/" title="fishing in Texas">Inshore Fishing with Super Dave</a> website teaches you how to saltwater fish in Texas, USA.

We want captions with those pictures. My son thinks the fish on the index page is 24 inches. I know the fish get bigger down there than our little freshwater trout in the creeks. My son Mark loves fishing with my dad and catches nice sized fish. My dad caught a 7 foot alligator gar down in Louisiana and a 50 pound plus catfish down there. Don't see that HERE. :D

dochow

5-27-05, 03:30 PM

I'm new to all this: hope to have my website active today (under construction, 10 pages). What is considered my "signature" and what do I put on my first page to get 'Googled'?
Howard

YvetteKuhns

5-27-05, 03:41 PM

To be listed on Google, you simply need to go to their website and submit your URL. To get better ranking, you need several pages of text contents related to your site topic. Try not to include unrelated topics. Google factors your link popularity highly in your ranking, so you should exchange links with sites that are related to yours.

Yahoo search is not picky about links, so if you have a good website all about one topic, you have a better chance of getting higher ranking on Yahoo than Google.

Put your best keyword phrase for each page between the title tags. Do not use all uppercase letters. Do not use more than 60 characters as the rest may be ignored.

Search engines like Header tags, especially H1, but use it as it was intended to be used. If you have a page about caring for your dog, then just put the title of that page between the H1 tags.

Meta tags are ignored by Google, but meta searches and MSN love them. Do not include any keyword more than 3 times or the search engine may consider that spamming.

casbboy

5-27-05, 03:50 PM

don't even bother submitting to google. quickly exchange links with sites related to yours. faster results.

however, since your site has no value yet, you may want to purchase textlinks on high value sites. I did a link from one of my sites to another one of my sites and I was indexed and getting traffic from both google and yahoo within 2-3 days.

it is nice to have multiple sites for this reason

Ryan

YvetteKuhns

5-27-05, 03:56 PM

Submitting to Google is faster, but links from sites listed on Google helps the Googlebot revisit your site. Why pay for links when you can exchange links for free? If you can afford it, you may want to try it.

My clients get visited and revisited when I add or update links in my portfolio. They get listed on sites without having to pay since they got a link from MY site which is already listed.

I'm too cheap to PAY for links. ;)

feyelectricidad

5-28-05, 04:14 AM

Let's try....

www.feyelectricidad.com

Alma

6-1-05, 09:56 PM

why don't you just submit your site to powweb's directory?? it's also spidered and re-spidered, and unlike forum threads, it passes a good PR. My listing in powweb's directory was picked up in 5 days by Yahoo and Google, and shows as a rather strong backlink now. While forum threads don't really imporve your PR.

kjsutsa

6-1-05, 11:43 PM

From putting the link in the repy text, my site got listed on google 3 days later. Previously, I had submitted it once a week in on the google home for about 2 months page with NO luck.

the problem is... my first page has two frames. both frames show up on google but only the single frame on each. I think I remember a thread here about specifing in your Meta(?) tags which pages you want google to search or not to search.

Thanks for tips everyone!

Kevin (http://www.inshorefishingwithsuperdave.com/index.html)

kjsutsa

6-1-05, 11:58 PM

YvetteKuhns - your son's probably close. the slot limit here is 20 - 28 inches. I'm doing the site for my fishing buddy. The video we're making is turning out awesome - and also fun to make! The hard part is the videography, website, and all the other 'non-fishing' related stuff... :-)

Thanks again (http://www.inshorefishingwithsuperdave.com/index.html)

jamestrotta

6-4-05, 11:58 AM

I've found the best way to get indexed is through powerful links to the homepage and a few deep links too. With links from 3 sites, I ahve 8,000 or so pages of my new AWS site indexed by Google in 2 weeks. 2 PR 6 links to the homepage, and 5 or so directory listings to different parts of the site (deep links) on my directory. Oh and a link from my blog to the home page. Oh yeah and a link from GoGuides to the home page.

casbboy

6-4-05, 03:30 PM

I agree James.

If I want to get listed and up and running I try to have one site wide on a PR6, sitewide on a PR5, and then a few one page links on PR5's. I try to make sure they also have an Alexa stat under 200,000. Helps generate traffic quickly.

Costs a few books, but way worth it down the road.

Thanks
ryan

jamestrotta

6-5-05, 02:04 AM

Sitewides can get you sandboxed according to may people. They shouldn't be necessary anyway. I would say 10-12 total links got me 8000 pages indexed in 2 weeks.I agree James.

If I want to get listed and up and running I try to have one site wide on a PR6, sitewide on a PR5, and then a few one page links on PR5's. I try to make sure they also have an Alexa stat under 200,000. Helps generate traffic quickly.

Costs a few books, but way worth it down the road.

Thanks
ryan

YvetteKuhns

6-7-05, 02:51 PM

try to make sure they also have an Alexa stat under 200,000.

The Alexa stats are only important to Alexa. Most people don't install the toolbar which affects your ranking. It is really stupid. It doesn't hurt to look for sites that do well here, but it doesn't necessarily help, either. Exchanging links with sites that rank high for its keywords is more important.

Getting links to other pages and not just your home page helps. People link to my articles which is helpful to those pages. Look for links from sites that are related to your site topic and get good ranking on Google, MSN, Ask/Teoma or other major search engines.

casbboy

6-7-05, 04:11 PM

But I need the links to my homepage. Google links to every one of my articles directly through Google News, so don't need to worry about that.

Alexa is inaccurate for sure. But when I see a site ranked 150,000 and a site ranked 800,000, I know at least I will get the gain of traffic from the popular site too. Also, if a site is more popular, it usually means it gets indexed more by the search engines [if a majority of their traffic is from search engines], which means the link placed on the site gets more than a few looks... no matter what the PR.

Unless a site is at least a PR6, getting linked to from it if it is rated over 1,000,000 in alexa is just a waste of time. No traffic, and the link may not even get recognition from a lack of deep scans on the site.

Ryan

*my google news account has stalled due to my server change for my site. Hence, go to alexa and look at the stats for my site. Notice a change? We have done a spike down due to the loss of Google News for this current period.

Alexa may be innacurate, but it is a great generalization and can follow trends closely [as long as your site is big enough]. Sites over 500,000 are not getting much traffic, sites under 200,000 are getting more.

YvetteKuhns

6-7-05, 05:34 PM

my google news account has stalled due to my server change for my site

If the urls are the same, that shouldn't happen unless your files were not found. They will be found again.

Alexa may be innacurate, but it is a great generalization and can follow trends closely [as long as your site is big enough]. Sites over 500,000 are not getting much traffic, sites under 200,000 are getting more.

But the traffic is based on Alexa users and I don't use it. I don't have the toolbar installed. The sites that get more traffic are usually the sites that have higher ranking on popular search engines. That is where I would look, but people find me and request links. ;)

casbboy

6-7-05, 06:44 PM

yes, I could search google and get an idea for rankings.. but a lot of sites try to rank on unique keywords [I would have to contact them to see what 'phrases' they dominate]. Takes too much time. I see a site, think about buying a link, look at Alexa, if not under at least 500,000, not worth my time.

I don't have Alexa toolbar either, but people do. Alexa gives a generalization on those who do. But, if you are getting 2,000 uniques a day, some of those will, by chance, have the Alexa Toolbar installed. Alexa gets reported the visit, and generalizes that among the population. There is no chance that you are getting 2,000 uniques a day and still over 500,000 with Alexa. Hence a generalization.

HOwever, unless of course you are a site for webmasters and internet folk, Alexa can get very accurate as you drop below the top 10,000 range.

I think last I heard you are rated 2,000 if getting 100,000 unique visits a day and 1,000 if getting 200,000 unique visits a day.

Ryan

In plane sense, a site ranked 1,400,000 just isn't getting traffic

*most people who check alexa stats go straight to the alexa site, don't look at a toolbar.

casbboy

6-7-05, 06:49 PM

here is a good example of a good generalization of trends for a website:

this is for the site alldumb:

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?&range=2y&size=medium&compare_sites=&y=r&url=www.alldumb.com#top

see the spike? obviously something happened here, and Alexa isn't guessing. This site basically went from no traffic to what looks to be around 12,000 uniques a day in a single day.

alldumb is not webhost, webmaster, web resource, or any other type of site such as that [these sites are skewed in alexa as a lot of people with toolbars installed seem to be webmasters]. I look at that and try to figure to do what they did.

Ryan

Alma

6-7-05, 08:14 PM

cassboy, one site of mine gets about 1500 uniques per day. It's not a lot, I know, but the site is relatively new (since December), it does have PR5 though and many incoming links (including strong ones like from Yahoo and Microsoft directory). Nevertheless, it has Alexa ranking of... 1,347,447.

The other site of mine (small craft site, that gets only like 300 uniques per day) has Alexa ranking of... 202,000. This just proofs that Alexa is a bunch of bull, Yvette is absolutely right. I suspect that craft sites visitors, being mostly computer illiterate, install this stupid toolbar without realizing that they are actually installing a piece of spyware, while my newer site's visitors, being more computer-oriented use Google toolbar instead.

hostbreak

6-21-05, 04:51 PM

Hi to every body this topic has been very informative since I am also interested in increasing my PR. So it is true that by putting URL of my site in my signature will help me indexed at google but what if I am already Indexed what happens then?
Does it help me to increase PR since it is considered to be a back link.

casbboy

6-21-05, 05:28 PM

In almost every case... NO, puting your link in the signature should not help you when it comes to search engines. They have the ability to avoid these links. However, mentioning your link like this: Movie Trailers (http://www.canmag.com) within the body of the post may be able to do something.

But still, the SEs take forum links very lightly, if any weight at all.

Find some valuable sites [hopefully ones that get indexed a lot], and get your link placed on those. That will ensure you get listed within a couple of days.

Ryan

YvetteKuhns

6-21-05, 06:43 PM

You should exchange links with sites that:
1) share the same target audience and site topic
- If your site is about your health, then exchange links with health sites.
2) are listed on the major search engines
- If the site is found on Google, Yahoo, MSN, Ask Jeeves/Teoma or Altavista, this can improve your PR.
3) have its own domain name on a reputable web host
- Getting a link from www.powerpageswebdesign.com hosted on PowWeb is better than a link from geocities.com, angelfire.com or something with the web host domain name followed by some weird path. And links from porn sites could get your site filtered from results.

You can probably benefit from forum links if the forum is related to your site topic. For example, if your site is about gaming and you post a link to your site in a gaming forum, this could help. If anything, it will be viewed by your target audience.

jamestrotta

6-22-05, 06:27 AM

Sig links have been successful in the past, in great quantities. I know one site that achieved a PR 6 through sig links alone. The owner was a moderator at several high PR forums and had thousands of posts on each, and the links in sigs were crawlable.

Of course many forum owners don't want sig links draining PR from their sites so they make sure guests (which of course includes search engine bots) don't see sigs. I do that on some of my forums.

hostbreak

6-23-05, 12:11 PM

codefreak

6-23-05, 02:28 PM

There's no need to submit your site to any SE, if you build it, they'll find you. Once Google spiders you, you sit in a sandbox for a certain amount of time and don't show up in search results. Incoming links are a very important part of how Google ranks your site, but it's not the end all solution to getting in the SERPs. Other factors include content and optimized pages, and following GOOD SEO practices. Google has many ways of catching all the cheaters. Putting a link in your forum signature isn't the magical solution that it seems either, although any good inbound link isn't bad. Some reading for the newbs:

http://www.google.com/webmasters/

YvetteKuhns

6-23-05, 03:16 PM

To be found on any search engine, you must either submit your url or have a link from a site that is listed on that search engine. The robots don't just find any site. But once they find you, they can index anything on your server unless you password-protect folder or use other methods to protect your files.

Maskatay

6-23-05, 03:41 PM

Oh my God a site achieving PR6 only through signature great!
But how can I add a signature???
I was allowed to have a signature after 35 posts. Keep on trying untill you are allowed. I know there are some exceptions ;)

YvetteKuhns

6-23-05, 03:47 PM

I know one site that achieved a PR 6 through sig links alone. The owner was a moderator at several high PR forums and had thousands of posts on each, and the links in sigs were crawlable.

I have over 5000 posts on PowWeb and that has not improved my PR which has been 4 for years. I have posted elsewhere, but not that often. The signature is not as important as the posts themselves. You can include a link in a post to refer people to a website and that helps that site. You are not supposed to spam or advertise excessively on forums.

codefreak

6-23-05, 03:55 PM

Sorry, but that just isn't true. Spiders regularly crawl the web for new pages, I've had plenty of new domains that were spidered without any action on my part.

YvetteKuhns

6-23-05, 04:05 PM

codefreak

6-23-05, 04:30 PM

The meta searches will find your site if it has meta tags. The other search engines may find the listing link to your site and find you that way. But this can take a while.

I have created free sites for people and those sites appeared on search engines without being submitted. Some had links from my site and some did not. But if you have a business site and want to get found, you would submit your site to the major search engines (for free) to get found faster to make money.

I've never seen a difference either way. The spiders generally tend to find a site no matter what. If you want to start talking about business sites vs. free sites, we are just splitting hairs, and there are different SE strategies for different sites. My point was that you don't have to submit or have inbound links to be spidered. I was just letting those who might find the information useful know that it wasn't a requirement despite what others say.

MikeSus

6-24-05, 01:15 AM

I have a PHPBB forums that is using mod rewrite to rewrite the php to html. I have noticed tho that the bots seem to have only indexed the main page...

Any ideas on getting the bots to dig deeper?

The site is http://www.apneasupport.org

The one forum that I am trying to get the bots to look at is

http://www.apneasupport.org/forum-1.html

YvetteKuhns

6-24-05, 12:38 PM

MikeSus,

Do you have a robots.txt file?

Can you include this line in your source code?
<meta name="robots" content="index,follow">

Do you have links from other websites to other pages on YOUR website?

Do you have a site map and a link to it from your index page?

Can you change the page names for each forum to use keywords? For example, the Pediatric Apnea forum is named forum-14.html which is not very descriptive.

There are several links to another domain name and only the forum itself has the domain name http://www.apneasupport.org. The other domain name (sleepapnea.org) has the contents that would be helpful. Can you add pages and links to them on the home page for apneasupport.org?

The recent posts have php query urls that are not search engine friendly. Converting these urls would really help. For example, http://www.apneasupport.org/viewtopic.php?p=387#387 is not as search engine friendly as http://www.apneasupport.org/viewtopic.php/387/387 .

Encourage people to link to articles on your website and not just your home page. This will help search engine robots follow links from other sites to your web pages and not just the index page.

Could you put bold text in your header that uses your best keyword phrases? This would really help search engines.

MikeSus

6-24-05, 07:33 PM

MikeSus,

Do you have a robots.txt file?

Can you include this line in your source code?
<meta name="robots" content="index,follow">

Yes, I have a robots.txt I did add the tag to the index.php page. Thanks!

Do you have links from other websites to other pages on YOUR website?

A few, more coming.

Do you have a site map and a link to it from your index page?

I do have a google sitemap at www.apneasupport.org/googlesitemap.php Was not really concerned with the other engines as they seem to be crawling the site...

Can you change the page names for each forum to use keywords? For example, the Pediatric Apnea forum is named forum-14.html which is not very descriptive.

Possibly. The pages are actually php and I am using Mod Rewrite to convert the urls to appear as static as the search engines seem to like them better.

There are several links to another domain name and only the forum itself has the domain name http://www.apneasupport.org. The other domain name (sleepapnea.org) has the contents that would be helpful. Can you add pages and links to them on the home page for apneasupport.org?

There is a link on the main page for sleepapnea.org to the forum index. There will be another link under the resources page soon.

The recent posts have php query urls that are not search engine friendly. Converting these urls would really help. For example, http://www.apneasupport.org/viewtopic.php?p=387#387 is not as search engine friendly as http://www.apneasupport.org/viewtopic.php/387/387 .

I am working on that. The XS Nav isn't lending itself to the modrewrites very easily.

Encourage people to link to articles on your website and not just your home page. This will help search engine robots follow links from other sites to your web pages and not just the index page.

Working on that also...

Could you put bold text in your header that uses your best keyword phrases? This would really help search engines.

Not sure where you mean?

YvetteKuhns

6-25-05, 10:58 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by YvetteKuhns
Could you put bold text in your header that uses your best keyword phrases? This would really help search engines.

Not sure where you mean?

At the top of the web page, your name appears as an image. You can put text under it or in place of it. Use the header tags or big bold text.

<h1>Apnea Support Forum</h1>

codefreak

6-25-05, 02:27 PM

What she's saying is that having keywords that people search for on your site pages are a good thing, and by emphasizing them with h3 tags and/or bold , etc it supposedly gives more weight to the keyword. This doesn't mean you should stuff all kinds of nonsense crap/keywords onto your page (that would just make it worse for you). You just need to naturally have a few paragraphs or something with some of your best keywords in the text. The more the spiders see this in your content, the better. By naturally having your most important keywords in your site's content you are giving them more to feed on. ;)

Shockt

6-25-05, 02:47 PM

I would like to point out, without reading all the posts in this thread, that my website http://www.photoshopguides.com has yet to be indexed by Google. I have posted on PowWeb on many many occassions with the link in my signature as well as on other forums. I have spread the word as much as possible... its been a month since I released the site... and still not indexed.

codefreak

6-25-05, 03:16 PM

Give it more time. A month isn't that long. Google doesn't know you're there yet. Do you have a robots.txt file? Yahoo and MSN have you indexed.

MikeSus

6-25-05, 05:50 PM

I really don't want to add the text there as the Graphic was meant to take care of that... But, I do have good news, after doing a few modifications to the index page google now seems to like it!! It spent 5-6 hrs today scouring the site! Now I just have to wait to see the results...

jamestrotta

6-26-05, 12:59 AM

83 times here at powweb is not that many. The example I gave was someone with 5,000 + posts at V7n and some other forums too. And this is going back to when v7n had its old PR7 domain...I would like to point out, without reading all the posts in this thread, that my website http://www.photoshopguides.com has yet to be indexed by Google. I have posted on PowWeb on many many occassions with the link in my signature as well as on other forums. I have spread the word as much as possible... its been a month since I released the site... and still not indexed.

MikeSus

6-26-05, 07:30 AM

Give it more time. A month isn't that long. Google doesn't know you're there yet. Do you have a robots.txt file? Yahoo and MSN have you indexed.

I would think that is due to no inbound linking. When we went live, Google picked our main page up in about 2 days. Took a week and a half before it dug any deeper into the site. (yesterday) And those pages haven't been indexed yet...

Hussam

7-2-05, 05:14 PM

People, Signature in forums will not make difference with google. Google updated their algorithms to not index or follow links on signature. I'm really sorry for this post, but is no longer useful with the "New google" (btw, long ago) Try to build your inbound links with Unique content in your site, that is the best thing you can do. Don't expect to rank up on google in one or two or 10 months. It will take time depending on the competition your keyword is ;)

casbboy

7-2-05, 05:39 PM

Trust me, your signature link is not helping you with SEs.

Do yourself a favor, instead of wasting time wondering if your sig link is helping, which it isn't, open your wallet, pull out thirty bucks, find a PR5 site on Powweb, talk the person into a link for one or two months.

Now you are listed in most every SE.

Signature Link: SEs don't notice them
Site Submission: Not top to do list for SEs, and they have NO guarantee they will ever index you.
Incoming Links on other sites: Listed within a few days.

I just added another $200 [per month] for two site runs on other sites. Sounds like a lot, but the increase in backlinks has caused a surge in traffic from SEs... allowing me to make about $60 more per day. That is how this system works.

However, most people on powweb will never put a penny into their sites, so after a year they just wonder why they don't get any traffic [or the traffic they want]. One of my sites turns ONE year old mid September, and it got 260,000 visits last month with 600,000 pages opened. However, I also spent time on my site and put a little money into it. I am not going to be happy with it till it gets 1.4M visits a month. If you are going to spend your days debating whether a SIG link works, your site doesn't have a chance [if that is your only hope for your site].

I got two new websites to be completed by November. Since I have learned how to drive a website, I now have guys who are funding me $9,000 just to market [incoming links and banners] the new projects.

It is VERY hard to make money, traffic, on a site, without giving a little money and time into it.

Ryan

Hussam

7-2-05, 08:50 PM

Yes, bro We all know that, My reply sounds like rude, no dude just want to add my reply friendly. :)

We applied SEO with 2 sites and then we are working for more than 15 sites (2 of them from PowWeb) The keyword on 1 site is on top 3 on Google. And the other site with a keyword with High Competition (and mean very high) the page has pagerank 4 and we are happy with pagerank 4 and working now to get on top SERPS because pagerank will not put you on SERPS. Good site structure + PageRank will get you on SE of google but there is yahoo and msn too.

My 2 cents for those that want to work on sites to get high rank and position:
Work very well, read very well and don't pay much ;)

We are not allowing to tell this because we manage to sell packages that includes SEO, Email marketing, Submition to sites and giving resources for the user to get high rank and position
I will not give any site now. If you are interested to pay $5,500 USD for one year of work pm me

casbboy

7-3-05, 07:17 PM

Ok, I did a test. In another big web developer forum I put a link in the signature tag for a site that HAS NO incoming links and is not listed in ANY search engine.

Did that for three days [till last night]. SEs never looked at the link or gave it any credit.

Now, around 1 AM last night I did a sitewide link on my site with that same link I used in the forums. I deleted the link from the signature before doing this. I checked today at 11:30 and found the website already listed in Google, MSN, and Yahoo. I tried searching three words that are in the title of the site and it was in the top 3 for each one.

So, it took ten and a half hours that way to get indexed in the BIG search engines. I didn't check the rest, but I am leaving the sitewide link up [I own 10% of the corporation that the link is going to] so I'd expect all to follow suite shortly if not already.

Again, spend tons of time trying to debate links and put in sig, or spend a couple bucks to be indexed by ALL immediately.

10.5 hours smokes 48 hours [which is also impressive].

Ryan

TrailHunter

7-10-05, 03:27 PM

Content, Content and more Content. I don't care how much you optimize your site, run through all of these bogus tricks, you've got to have content. Everyone knows you need inbound links. You can go swapping links with a handfull of sites, but if you have real content that is unique, the worlds webmasters will link to you without even asking them and much larger quantities then you can imagine.

Also if you have real content, the keywords that you're talking about placing in documents will already be there. I don't use any h1 tags or special text formatting to give any extra weight to my info. When I post a new article, it's usually index and bring traffic in 48 hrs like cashboy is arguing. They are high ranking two. 95% of my pages are on the first page when using their keywords.

This took a LOT of effort in the beginning continuously writing and developing original content. It has now paid off. My site isn't as big as cashboys earning about 20000 visits/month and 125000 pageviews.

aeo1226

7-13-05, 02:32 AM

Hello Dantol,

I have had a website for sometime now http://www.anythingeverythingonline.com and was coming up with yahoo, MSN, Google and Dogpile etc... now I am not listed I would like to find out what happened and want to know how I can post my web link on here?

It would greatly be appreciated.

http://www.anythingeverythingonline.com
Michael Garcia

rainbore

7-13-05, 10:55 AM

Michael,

Your site is still in Google and Yahoo!, although those sites only seem to have your main page in their index thusfar. You are not in MSN.

In doing some brief checking, it looks like you need to get more quality links pointing to your site. Yahoo! only sees one other site linking to yours. There are many ways to build link popularity. Its mostly mind-numbing drudgery, but it does pay off. And until you build more link popularity, your position in the search engines won't be very strong. Good luck!

YvetteKuhns

7-13-05, 01:50 PM

http://www.anythingeverythingonline.com

When I visited the home page, I moused over the links to see that nearly all of the links go to affiliate sites. Only a few links in the horizontal navigation menu that go to pages with the original site domain name in the url. This site is not a store, but a list of affiliate links to stores.

Sites with little more than affiliate links are being frowned upon by Google since they offer no unique contents. The affiliate link urls look too similar and appear as though they are pointing to the same website. Look at the linksynergy links to see what I mean.

As for incoming links, Google is reported to be watching to see if you add too many in a short amount of time. They want you to select good quality link exchanges and not use automated programs to collect links for the sake of increasing Page Rank alone. The links should add value to the website for the visitors.

This site needs original contents. Why would anyone visit a site that only has advertisements and no contents? If this site chose one topic such as toys and only links to/from sites about toys, seo would be easier. And there could be reviews, testimonials and other unique contents about toys.

john942

7-14-05, 07:50 PM

Great!

I have just got my new UK site, which is http://www.simplysearch4it.co.uk listed within Google in under 24 hours.

I have only managed to get the index page listed though, but then again that is the same with everybody.

They only seem to add the index page to their search results first and then they crawl deeper into your site in a few days to a weeks time.

MikeSus

8-6-05, 11:12 PM

Well we seem to be doing well... Over 5k of indexed pages... Thanks for the help!

ryanchurchill

8-7-05, 11:50 AM

devshed.com has a good one

janobar

8-9-05, 02:31 PM

After reading most of the posts about listing in google I am very impressed about the outcome. It seems to my is worth trying! I have been waiting for this sort of advice for moths. How to get listed in search engines reasonably quick? Well we’ll see what will happened. Here I come :)

http://www.antypody.com

pkrusse

8-10-05, 12:46 AM

I am new and will really show how new with this posting! I am constructing my web site. I sell handcrafted dressing screen/room dividers and other handcrafted products. I want traffic and to get pulled on searches, of course. But, do I have to learn how to get a million hits just to make a living? What is an average number of search hits VS actual visits to site?

KitBear

8-10-05, 04:48 AM

It depends on where your website shows up in any given search. Build it, submit it, read about seach engine optimization... but first build a site with good quality content.

__________
Webmaster.TC (http://webmaster.tc)

YvetteKuhns

8-10-05, 05:06 PM

What is an average number of search hits VS actual visits to site?

If you are trying to determine which keyword phrases are popular AND how many translate from searches to actual clicks, you may consider reading reports on related keyword phrases, then try PPC ads to discover how many people truly clicked your listing on a given search engine.

Pay Per Click search engines can be helpful and you do NOT have to spend too much. Try it for a while to get reports and visits. Follow your web stats to study your popular keyword phrases that successfully brought visitors and your referrers (websites that brought visitors) to your website.

Enhance (http://www.myaffiliateprogram.com/u/ah-ha/b.asp?id=3335) offers paid inclusion on the website and PPC for as little as 3 cents per click. If you get alot of clicks, you can cancel or continue as you learn what works for you.

Try getting links from related sites. Incoming links increase your page rank (link popularity) but people may actually click links from other sites to yours! Be sure the link pages do not have more than 25 links per page and they are related to your site topic. Do not exchange links with sites that use link farms and lousy redirects (notice stupid urls instead of a regular domain name).

I sell handcrafted dressing screen/room dividers and other handcrafted products.

This site should exchange links with other handcrafted home decor websites.

janobar

8-13-05, 01:38 AM

Perhaps that’s a coincident but believe it or not my website www.antypody .com have been listed on google in 48 hours as you said in your post. It is not on the top ten of the listing but is still something. This is a huge achievement for me who have no experience in www world to be listed so quick even better without spending a single penny. Now have you got any ideas how to make my way up in the search engine listing? What do I have to do to at least stay on the position I am on at the moment?
THANKS A LOT MATE.

www.antypody.com, Australia, Nowa Zelandia, Wyspy Cooka, Fiji

janobar

8-13-05, 01:50 AM

My big thank you was for Dantol
Tahnks again!
janobar
www.antypody.com

gangchen

8-20-05, 05:42 AM

Hi there

I have submitted my website to google a few days ago. But my website is still not listed. Could anyone help me with this?
Thanks
Gang
www.flyingdragonbridge.com

casbboy

8-20-05, 06:25 AM

Just purchase or get your link placed on a popular website and you should be indexed by all search engines in a few days.

Ryan

YvetteKuhns

8-20-05, 03:19 PM

Possible problems:

When I viewed your source code for http://www.flyingdragonbridge.com, I saw a different character code and strange characters before the HEAD tag in the document.

The Javascript has strange characters when I view it in English. The Javascript can be in an external js file and called with one line of code to save load time. The search engines may skip that and go on to more important contents.

The STYLE code can be stored in an external css file and called with one line of code to save load time. Search engines can skip over this information also.

The home page has a form and very little text information. Add more text to define your target audience and help search engines list your site for the best keyword phrases.

The biggest issue I see is the Mandarin Chinese version. The characters may be misinterpreted. And the Chinese government may be blocking the website!

YvetteKuhns

8-20-05, 03:22 PM

Another possible reason for not getting your site listed:

Your site was not accessible when Googlebot visited your site.

or

If your domain name was used by someone else and it was banned, you will have problems.

emil2k

8-20-05, 05:45 PM

Well i wanto to check out if this works. Ive been waiting 4 months to get listed.

http://dedicated-servers.gig4free.com

YvetteKuhns

8-22-05, 02:34 PM

http://dedicated-servers.gig4free.com

I just visited a web page that has a black background. The text is white and the links are blue. There are too many Google ads since they are on the left side AND above the one article. There are NO links to other web pages on this server, but there are links to other websites. There are probably little if any links TO this website/web page.

There are no meta tags in the source code. Though Google doesn't read them, many others still do. The style code could go into an external css file and Javascript can go into an external js file. There is no copyright information.

Is this an article written by someone else that leads visitors to an affiliate page? Is this web page a doorway page to another website? It links to http://www.serversmart.com whose copyright info has not been updated since 2003.

Now I can see why your web page has not been listed. It is probably ignored as an ad-only page or doorway page. The article actually appears on both websites. :rolleyes: A website must have unique contents and more than one web page. And it could use links to it to be found on search engines.

gadgetwatcher

8-23-05, 08:46 PM

I normally wouldn't do this, but because it is the theme of the thread I will post mine too to see how quickly it is picked up.

GadgetWatcher.com (http://www.gadgetwatcher.com)

trusted

8-24-05, 08:00 AM

MikeSus,

Do you have a robots.txt file?

Can you include this line in your source code?
<meta name="robots" content="index,follow">

I am trying to raise the Google page ranking of http://www.fylderamblers.co.uk. Can you tell me if my robots.txt file is correct? It says
User-agent: *
Disallow:

tacimala

8-24-05, 12:16 PM

Setting up your robots.txt to do that is redundant because that's what a search engine will do anyways. You can always validate your robots.txt at http://www.searchengineworld.com/cgi-bin/robotcheck.cgi as well.

YvetteKuhns

8-27-05, 01:26 PM

A robots.txt file allows you to allow or disallow certain files, directories or extensions. You can disallow bad bots. MSN bot looks for robots.txt files and if you don't have one, you may have problems getting listed. The new MSN search really wants that file where it wasn't important before. It certainly does not hurt to have it and you can only benefit from it.

Can you tell me if my robots.txt file is correct? It says
User-agent: *
Disallow:

That just uses the wildcard asterisk and nothing is listed to be disallowed. You can disallow webstats, cgi-bin, or protected images and directories. If you want to allow all robots to index everything, you can actually have a blank file.

User-agent: *
Disallow: /images/
Disallow: /cgi-bin/
Disallow: /etc/
Disallow: /webstats/
Disallow: /logs/
Disallow: /admin/
Disallow: /tmp/

This is a list of commonly disallowed directories.

janobar

8-29-05, 03:12 PM

This is another example of how little we are (I am) when it comes to SEO. Just few days ago I was a happy website owner listed on google after 48 hours wait in top 10. Than for some reason my site disappeared to be placed somewhere at the very last bottom listing. However the good news is that in yahoo (good old yahoo) my web still gets good results top 10 is in my reach. Now my question is how to stay on the position I was before I google?

Thanks janobar www.antypody.com

casbboy

8-29-05, 03:48 PM

getting listed is easy [especially if you actually believe a forum signature gets you listed], it is staying in the top 10-30 that is hard.

A lot of big money making sites put more and more money towards new text links with their anchor text [keywords] in order to remain on top. If you have original content, it is usuallyl much easier.

However, every new site I create I spend about a good portion of money $500+ in the first two months. I use the sites I already own to link to a new site, plus the links I purchase.

All of a sudden the new site will fling to a top spot and I will get considerably good traffic from SEs for this new site. HOwever, a month in my site will disappear.... going into the 'sandbox.' Search engines don't want to make it that easy to got top ten. You have to earn in, meaning you must wait, and probably keep collecting incoming links.

Ryan

YvetteKuhns

8-29-05, 07:16 PM

However the good news is that in yahoo (good old yahoo) my web still gets good results top 10 is in my reach. Now my question is how to stay on the position I was before I google?

Yahoo doesn't care how many incoming links you have. But Google highly factors your link popularity into your search engine ranking. A 500 page website with 500 incoming links has a 1 to 1 ratio. A similar 500 page website with 1000 incoming links had a 1 to 2 ratio and would probably get better ranking.

Exchange links with related sites that have good ranking. Be sure your link can be found on the reciprocating website. The other sites should not have adult contents or links to porn, gambling or hate sites - unless your site has those contents. Some search engines filter results based on contents so choose your links wisely.

casbboy

9-2-05, 01:40 AM

how do you know the spiders were coming from your sig?

Yahoo doesn't care how many incoming links you have. But Google highly factors your link popularity into your search engine ranking. A 500 page website with 500 incoming links has a 1 to 1 ratio. A similar 500 page website with 1000 incoming links had a 1 to 2 ratio and would probably get better ranking.

Kindof. Yahoo does take keyword ranking into account when it comes to incoming links.

Search the phrase 'miserable failure' in Yahoo! and tell me what you get. That got ranked because of incoming links with that anchor text. A lot of incoming links with the same anchor text can also greatly help you in Yahoo! too

Ryan

fsharp

9-2-05, 04:25 AM

I have the google site map generator but I have no idea how to configure it right. I use all the programs that do the coding for me, ( I know html, but use Front page as it is faster) I have web builder for php, css, and all other scripts. Even a program that creates my dhtml.
I guess I should stop being so lazy and learn these things. I am more into creating graphics than coding. Now though, I wish I did know how to write these scripts. I know it says to put one of the files in my root directory. I don't even know what the py files are. or what to do with the change log file. It would certainly help to use the site map generator as I do update my site often and the content changes often. And google must want us to use it. I certainly want to please google. :D

YvetteKuhns

9-2-05, 11:58 AM

I have the google site map generator but I have no idea how to configure it right.

http://forum.powweb.com/showthread.php?t=51958&highlight=python
See this thread and another thread mentions the Google site map.

csao

9-3-05, 07:38 PM

This thread has had some good points and some ridiculous ones.. I would like to chare one thing that no one has ben looking at really..

Content COntent Content.

My sites are listed and over 60K each in backlinks by using sofwtare such as Maximum Traffic.....

Just my two cents in the matter

Not sure if its ok to post a link so just google for it

oh yeah and before anyone goes and says it will ban your site I must tell you that I have been running like this for nearly 5 years and software that has come out has automated my tasks...

If you know how to structure the pages you will NEVER be banned...

ioasw

9-8-05, 08:59 AM

great idea!

sliding

9-28-05, 09:02 PM

I'm using Zeus as a help in finding related sites for link exchange. It's still a lot of work, even with the software program. There are a lot of easier link exchange programs, but they usually don't care what the theme of the web site is and you end up with a lot of un-related links.

I'm listed in Google, but not rated. (No, I don't have a clue how to get rated.) I am rated on Yahoo, MSN, etc.

So far the only way I can get Google to acknowledge links is to type in my own web site name ' slidingshelf.com ' in their search bar. Then following the extra links they give to check out my site statistics.

Are incoming links really that important to Google? To tell the truth that's the only reason I'm going to all the work to get related links.

http://www.SlidingShelf.com

wavyd

9-29-05, 12:05 AM

I was wondering if anyone knows how I can tell why my site suddenly doesn't appear on Google or Yahoo! unless I search for it by URL.

The site is http://www.tulsamartialartstkd.com and I was on the first or second page of search items in Google for a few months and up until last night I was in the top 10 on Yahoo!

MSN still has the site listed in the top 5 depending on the keywords used to search.

I'm truly puzzled and any help would be appreciated.

David

rainbore

9-29-05, 12:00 PM

Both Google and Yahoo! have rolled out updates to their ranking methods in the past week or so, and it may simply be that your site simply doesn't rank as well as it used to. Yahoo! ranks you #11 for "Tulsa Martial Arts", but you've fallen too deeply for me to find you in Google.

Your site currently has a Google PageRank of 0, which can be a red flag for problems, but is more likely because Google is reporting only 3 links to your site. That's something you should work on. I also noticed that there were at least four <h1> tags on your main page. That can be seen as an attempt to SPAM the search engines, so you should change all but one of them to <h2>'s and use style settings for controlling their appearance. Good luck!

YvetteKuhns

9-29-05, 03:22 PM

Are incoming links really that important to Google? To tell the truth that's the only reason I'm going to all the work to get related links.

http://www.SlidingShelf.com

Google loves incoming and outgoing links, particularly TEXT links. Exchange links with related sites or sites with a similar target audience.

I was wondering if anyone knows how I can tell why my site suddenly doesn't appear on Google or Yahoo! unless I search for it by URL.

The site is http://www.tulsamartialartstkd.com and I was on the first or second page of search items in Google for a few months and up until last night I was in the top 10 on Yahoo!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=site:www.tulsamartialartstkd.com
Google indexed many pages and may be redetermining your page rank.
I searched your domain name on Yahoo to see how many pages were indexed and there were only 6 listed.

A site map could help the other pages get indexed faster. A robots.txt file would definitely help with MSN search, since MSN bot looks for that file first. There may be more sites related to your search phrases that compete with your site for ranking.

casbboy

9-29-05, 07:06 PM

If your site is new... Both Google and Yahoo may have put you up high for your SEO and then later sandboxed you for being a new site.

One of my movie sites got about 5x the traffic the first month as I bought quite a few textlinks, got rated high by the search engines, and then get sandboxed about two-three weeks in.

*if getting incoming links important? HELL YES! Search 'miserable failure' on google and let me know what you come up with.

Incoming links are just as important as SEO and, for some, the most important. Incoming links can get your site listed for keywords you don't have any of.

Ryan

invisage

9-30-05, 07:55 PM

There are no meta tags in the source code. Though Google doesn't read them, many others still do. The style code could go into an external css file and Javascript can go into an external js file. There is no copyright information.

Is it important to have copyright information on your page? Also is it as simple as putting a copyright statement at the bottom of the page or do you have register it somehwere?

By the way I found all your posts very informative so far. Thanks for the help.

casbboy

9-30-05, 08:26 PM

don't worry about registering. just put on bottom of page.

Ryan

YvetteKuhns

10-3-05, 02:57 PM

Is it important to have copyright information on your page? Also is it as simple as putting a copyright statement at the bottom of the page or do you have register it somehwere?

Copyright information tells who actually owns the copyright for the website and its contents. If someone wanted to borrow an image, article or other contents on your site, that person could contact you for permission.

You don't need to register your site, but you should register a business name for tax purposes as well as business purposes. My business name is registered in my state and trademarked in the United States. I keep copies of most work, even if it no longer appears on my website.

If you include your copyright information at the bottom of each page as text and not an image, search engines can read it. Search engines can read my business name as it appears in the copyright statement as well as the year to show that the site has been updated this year!