Website submission to search engines

Shelley · 3-14-08, 11:00 PM

When I built my first website here about 3 years ago, the hosting plan included automatic submission to the Internet. I just transfered another domain name here and built a new site....only to find out they no longer offer website submission to search engines!

When I called to ask about it, some snippy little girl told me to submit it through their pay-per-click service.....then hung up on me!

I don't need or want a pay-per-click service. My site is for information purposes only. So now what do I do? How can I get my site submitted to the search engines and make sure it's available now....without waiting for them to find me?

Any help......in dummy terms.......would be greatly appreciated.

**Croc Hunter** · 3-15-08, 11:56 AM

What's the hurry, submit your website at Google.com the rest will follow. You should manually submit to all major search engines. Mass blind submission services will do your site rank/weight more harm than good.

KitBear · 3-16-08, 03:50 PM

Shelly, here are links to the main ones to get you started:

http://www.google.com/addurl/
https://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/submit
http://search.live.com/docs/submit.aspx

Like Croc said, the rest will follow. Inbound links from other (reputable) sites will help the process.

Doc C · 3-16-08, 05:58 PM

You might want to check this out. It gives some info on what Google's looking for.

HalfaBee · 3-16-08, 06:32 PM

You could also post a link here, the search engines hit the forums regularly.
Of course it will have to be moderated, as you don't have many posts.

**IanS** · 3-16-08, 06:41 PM

Simply posting a link for that purpose is unlikely to get past the horribly strict moderators

Now, if there was a problem that needed solving and a link was included

that's a different matter.

HalfaBee · 3-16-08, 06:43 PM

You always ask for a critique from the horribly honest moderators.

**IanS** · 3-16-08, 06:45 PM

That might work, although we've had quite a lot of 1 post visitors recently who've asked a question never to return to posting so this thread may not be read by the OP'er. The OP'er could be one of them!

Neat Pete · 3-16-08, 08:03 PM

The best solution is to put a link on an existing site to your new site. All search engines that visit your old site will find the link and will schedule their visit to trawl your new site. I have not submitted a site to Google for years.

Don't use any of those site submission services, they are completely out of fashion. The three submission links given in a previous post cover over 95% of the market.

entrecon · 3-16-08, 08:23 PM

I would also suggest visiting Google's Webmaster Tools which I have found to help make your site more Google Friendly.

**Croc Hunter** · 3-17-08, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neat Pete

The best solution is to put a link on an existing site to your new site. All search engines that visit your old site will find the link and will schedule their visit to trawl your new site. I have not submitted a site to Google for years.

Don't use any of those site submission services, they are completely out of fashion. The three submission links given in a previous post cover over 95% of the market.

That's not very accurate, esp the 3 links = 95%, but whatever helps you sleep at night lol. Google Webmaster Tools is a great resource and the leader most others if not all follow eventually. Create an account and get your XML map etc up, it's free.

Neat Pete · 3-18-08, 06:12 PM

Quote: That's not very accurate, esp the 3 links = 95%, but whatever helps you sleep at night lol.

Oh yes it is, it's nearly right. And take note, Google is increasing its monopoly, the others are not catching up like they claim in the computer mags. Also the lesser lights try to bolster their share by adding in some intranet search or desktop search, or by quoting their share in a niche market. Also they quote out-of-date figures where they used to look good.

Here are some figures off public sites hosted on PowWeb, hot off the press...

Google 1453
Google Images 513
Yahoo 179
Microsoft 51
Ask 30
AOL 12
All Others 81

Remember the good old days when Altavista and Excite both had a market share over 5%??? Not any more, the 81 Others above includes Altavista 1 and Excite 1.

Remember WebWombat and Sensis (the search engine for Australians)???

Facts first, verdict afterwards. The above result is just a fraction under 95% for the big three.

**Croc Hunter** · 3-19-08, 01:45 AM

Sensis is still operating aren't they? It's a big problem with the internet, misinformation. As far as search engine market share this is what I get from a pretty accurate source: http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=4

Feb 2008
Google - Global 77.27%
Yahoo - Global 12.23%
MSN - Global 3.51%
Microsoft Live Search 2.49%
AOL - Global 2.11%
Ask - Global 1.30%
AltaVista - Global 0.12%
Excite - Global 0.06%
All the Web - Global 0.02%
Lycos - Global 0.01%

Feb 2007
Google - Global 75.91%
Yahoo - Global 12.38%
MSN - Global 5.49%
AOL - Global 2.26%
Ask - Global 1.30%
Microsoft Live Search 1.02%
AltaVista - Global 0.23%
Excite - Global 0.10%
Lycos - Global 0.03%
All the Web - Global 0.03%

Feb 2006
Google - Global 67.13%
Yahoo - Global 15.06%
MSN - Global 10.98%
AOL - Global 3.23%
Ask - Global 1.17%
AltaVista - Global 0.34%
Excite - Global 0.15%
Lycos - Global 0.08%
All the Web - Global 0.04%

Feb 2005
Google - Global 57.36%
Yahoo - Global 19.49%
MSN - Global 13.50%
AOL - Global 4.14%
Ask - Global 1.20%
AltaVista - Global 0.56%
Excite - Global 0.26%
Lycos - Global 0.09%
All the Web - Global 0.07%

KitBear · 3-19-08, 02:13 AM

Google + Yahoo + MSN/Live = 95.5%

Interesting to see Google's 77.27% share considering MSN is the default homepage for a large number of systems.

**Croc Hunter** · 3-19-08, 02:52 AM

See what I mean? more misinformation ~smack~ lol. The link is to MSN Live Search = 91.99%

Last time I looked (was years ago) a full MSN submission was near $600. I love Google but the thought of them becoming the only player, a monopoly makes me uneasy.

Neat Pete · 3-19-08, 04:20 AM

Croc, thanks for the link. And there is your 95%, but it was only 90% 5 years ago. That means the market share of "Other " search engines has halved in just three years.

As for Sensis "The search engine for Australians" - don't get me started. Not to mention the "Australianization" of Yahoo as seen in Australia - merely a tactic to sell more adverts in Australia.

There's heaps already written about whether Google will end up a monopoly like Microsoft, or an icon like Coca Cola. I'm not going there just now.

The question must be asked why Google is preferable to MSN or Yahoo. Just use them for a few days and you will know why. Yahoo and Microsoft have both been told repeatedly what's wrong, but despite millions of dollars in research and programming, it's never fixed. If they join up, it will never ever be fixed and Google will be laughing while the combined number two search engine languishes. (You read it here first).

Microsoft always dreamed of passing Yahoo, and the Feb 2005 figures show then neck and neck, but there has been a huge decline since then. Just calling themselves "Live" was silly enough, but a flagship product is called Dot Net. Not to mention the acronyms, NT = new technology and XP = extended performance.

LinK · 3-28-08, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KitBear

Shelly, here are links to the main ones to get you started:

http://www.google.com/addurl/
https://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/submit
http://search.live.com/docs/submit.aspx

Like Croc said, the rest will follow. Inbound links from other (reputable) sites will help the process.

The information posted here is informative and appreciated.
Wondering though ... what about DMOZ open directory?
Thanks!

**Croc Hunter** · 3-29-08, 09:08 AM

DMOZ is pretty much defunct now IMO. But if you want to submit sure you can try, it wont hurt. I submitted one there last year and as far as I know they still don't spam you or anything.

tpoynton · 3-29-08, 03:17 PM

i was a category editor volunteer at DMOZ for a time...then some servers went down and people could not edit their categories for weeks. i forgot about it for a while, and when I tried to sign in as an editor again, I was kicked out for not checking in.

There are tons of sites that feed off of DMOZ, which leads to links. I'm not sure if it helps or hurts though. I can say that, from my webstats, I rarely ever get clicks from any of the DMOZ clones. In fact, I cant recall the last time I did. Google shows dozens of such sites though when I check for links to my domain.

leenkz · 4-4-08, 11:21 PM

I remember the days when I would put a site up, and then you had to submit and wait and wait.

Now is like, I am not even done building a site, and google has already been there.

I think is safe to say, submitting to the engines is pretty much obsolete.

YvetteKuhns · 4-7-08, 12:10 PM

If you have a link to your website, the search engines will probably find your website. You should have a robots.txt file for the search engines that look for it before going any further. If you have a site map or simple navigation from the index page, your other pages should appear quickly.

There are still benefits to MANUALLY submitting websites to various search engines AND directories. Many people simply think of Google, Windows Live (MSN) and Yahoo, but there are others. And links from some of them can help, though link popularity has little weight in the algorithm for ranking.

DMOZ has not been updated in a long time and hasn't driven traffic to any websites. You can find directories for your location or topic, for example: if you sell puppies in Anytown, PA, you would look for business directories in PA, Lehigh County or the United States. And you could try neighboring localities. Then look for other websites about puppies or pets. There are directories, forums and other websites.

In the past, people tried to get as many links as possible. But the quantity isn't as important as the quality of the links. Do people visit that website? Do they visit the page where your link appears? If YOU were looking for the link, would you click it? It doesn't matter what type of website it is: search engine, directory, forum, personal or business website. If the links are found by your target audience and they click it, your website can be found.

I have several clients with top ten ranking that do NOT use pay per click advertising. The website itself must be designed well to help search engines and people find the pages and information. Submit to Google and use Google Webmaster Tools to see how your website is doing. You can make changes based on the information reported.

Neat Pete · 4-11-08, 05:22 AM

The founders of DMOZ have created a new web crawler called ScoutJet at http://www.scoutjet.com. Those magic words: "next generation search technology".

3-14-08, 11:00 PM	#1
Shelley Registered Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 1 Reputation: 0	Website submission to search engines When I built my first website here about 3 years ago, the hosting plan included automatic submission to the Internet. I just transfered another domain name here and built a new site....only to find out they no longer offer website submission to search engines! When I called to ask about it, some snippy little girl told me to submit it through their pay-per-click service.....then hung up on me! I don't need or want a pay-per-click service. My site is for information purposes only. So now what do I do? How can I get my site submitted to the search engines and make sure it's available now....without waiting for them to find me? Any help......in dummy terms.......would be greatly appreciated.

3-15-08, 11:56 AM	#2
Croc Hunter Mod.. with bite.. Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 7,295 Reputation: 442	What's the hurry, submit your website at Google.com the rest will follow. You should manually submit to all major search engines. Mass blind submission services will do your site rank/weight more harm than good. __________________ Croc Hunter MSC :

3-16-08, 05:58 PM	#4
Doc C Just another mook Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Southern CA Posts: 5,100 Reputation: 310	You might want to check this out. It gives some info on what Google's looking for. __________________ "You don't really understand human nature unless you know why a child on a merry-go-round will wave at his parents every time around -- and why his parents will always wave back." -William D. Tammeus

3-16-08, 06:32 PM	#5
HalfaBee Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 7,266 Reputation: 340	You could also post a link here, the search engines hit the forums regularly. Of course it will have to be moderated, as you don't have many posts. __________________ I don't suffer from laziness, I enjoy every minute! Edit your php.ini here http://members.powweb.com/member/cgi...nt/PHPplus.bml

3-16-08, 06:41 PM	#6
IanS Former Spam Filter (EU) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington (THE original UK one!) Posts: 12,805 Reputation: 470	Simply posting a link for that purpose is unlikely to get past the horribly strict moderators Now, if there was a problem that needed solving and a link was included that's a different matter. __________________ This is a Powweb customer helping Powweb customer forum. I am a customer just like you!! Some matters can only be answered by staff or support. Give it a go - ask here first!

3-16-08, 03:50 PM	#3
KitBear Beta tester Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: California Posts: 627 Reputation: 177	Shelly, here are links to the main ones to get you started: http://www.google.com/addurl/ https://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/submit http://search.live.com/docs/submit.aspx Like Croc said, the rest will follow. Inbound links from other (reputable) sites will help the process.

3-16-08, 06:43 PM	#7
HalfaBee Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 7,266 Reputation: 340	You always ask for a critique from the horribly honest moderators. __________________ I don't suffer from laziness, I enjoy every minute! Edit your php.ini here http://members.powweb.com/member/cgi...nt/PHPplus.bml

3-16-08, 06:45 PM	#8
IanS Former Spam Filter (EU) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington (THE original UK one!) Posts: 12,805 Reputation: 470	That might work, although we've had quite a lot of 1 post visitors recently who've asked a question never to return to posting so this thread may not be read by the OP'er. The OP'er could be one of them! __________________ This is a Powweb customer helping Powweb customer forum. I am a customer just like you!! Some matters can only be answered by staff or support. Give it a go - ask here first!

3-16-08, 08:03 PM	#9
Neat Pete Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 458 Reputation: 57	The best solution is to put a link on an existing site to your new site. All search engines that visit your old site will find the link and will schedule their visit to trawl your new site. I have not submitted a site to Google for years. Don't use any of those site submission services, they are completely out of fashion. The three submission links given in a previous post cover over 95% of the market.

3-16-08, 08:23 PM	#10
entrecon Custom User Title Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,669 Reputation: 337	I would also suggest visiting Google's Webmaster Tools which I have found to help make your site more Google Friendly. __________________ ________________________________ Find me on twitter: @entrecon

3-18-08, 06:12 PM	#12
Neat Pete Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 458 Reputation: 57	Quote: That's not very accurate, esp the 3 links = 95%, but whatever helps you sleep at night lol. Oh yes it is, it's nearly right. And take note, Google is increasing its monopoly, the others are not catching up like they claim in the computer mags. Also the lesser lights try to bolster their share by adding in some intranet search or desktop search, or by quoting their share in a niche market. Also they quote out-of-date figures where they used to look good. Here are some figures off public sites hosted on PowWeb, hot off the press... Google 1453 Google Images 513 Yahoo 179 Microsoft 51 Ask 30 AOL 12 All Others 81 Remember the good old days when Altavista and Excite both had a market share over 5%??? Not any more, the 81 Others above includes Altavista 1 and Excite 1. Remember WebWombat and Sensis (the search engine for Australians)??? Facts first, verdict afterwards. The above result is just a fraction under 95% for the big three. Last edited by Neat Pete; 3-18-08 at 06:14 PM.. Reason: typo

3-19-08, 01:45 AM	#13
Croc Hunter Mod.. with bite.. Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 7,295 Reputation: 442	Sensis is still operating aren't they? It's a big problem with the internet, misinformation. As far as search engine market share this is what I get from a pretty accurate source: http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=4 Feb 2008 Google - Global 77.27% Yahoo - Global 12.23% MSN - Global 3.51% Microsoft Live Search 2.49% AOL - Global 2.11% Ask - Global 1.30% AltaVista - Global 0.12% Excite - Global 0.06% All the Web - Global 0.02% Lycos - Global 0.01% Feb 2007 Google - Global 75.91% Yahoo - Global 12.38% MSN - Global 5.49% AOL - Global 2.26% Ask - Global 1.30% Microsoft Live Search 1.02% AltaVista - Global 0.23% Excite - Global 0.10% Lycos - Global 0.03% All the Web - Global 0.03% Feb 2006 Google - Global 67.13% Yahoo - Global 15.06% MSN - Global 10.98% AOL - Global 3.23% Ask - Global 1.17% AltaVista - Global 0.34% Excite - Global 0.15% Lycos - Global 0.08% All the Web - Global 0.04% Feb 2005 Google - Global 57.36% Yahoo - Global 19.49% MSN - Global 13.50% AOL - Global 4.14% Ask - Global 1.20% AltaVista - Global 0.56% Excite - Global 0.26% Lycos - Global 0.09% All the Web - Global 0.07% __________________ Croc Hunter MSC :

3-19-08, 02:13 AM	#14
KitBear Beta tester Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: California Posts: 627 Reputation: 177	Google + Yahoo + MSN/Live = 95.5% Interesting to see Google's 77.27% share considering MSN is the default homepage for a large number of systems.

3-19-08, 02:52 AM	#15
Croc Hunter Mod.. with bite.. Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 7,295 Reputation: 442	See what I mean? more misinformation ~smack~ lol. The link is to MSN Live Search = 91.99% Last time I looked (was years ago) a full MSN submission was near $600. I love Google but the thought of them becoming the only player, a monopoly makes me uneasy. __________________ Croc Hunter MSC :

3-19-08, 04:20 AM	#16
Neat Pete Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 458 Reputation: 57	Croc, thanks for the link. And there is your 95%, but it was only 90% 5 years ago. That means the market share of "Other " search engines has halved in just three years. As for Sensis "The search engine for Australians" - don't get me started. Not to mention the "Australianization" of Yahoo as seen in Australia - merely a tactic to sell more adverts in Australia. There's heaps already written about whether Google will end up a monopoly like Microsoft, or an icon like Coca Cola. I'm not going there just now. The question must be asked why Google is preferable to MSN or Yahoo. Just use them for a few days and you will know why. Yahoo and Microsoft have both been told repeatedly what's wrong, but despite millions of dollars in research and programming, it's never fixed. If they join up, it will never ever be fixed and Google will be laughing while the combined number two search engine languishes. (You read it here first). Microsoft always dreamed of passing Yahoo, and the Feb 2005 figures show then neck and neck, but there has been a huge decline since then. Just calling themselves "Live" was silly enough, but a flagship product is called Dot Net. Not to mention the acronyms, NT = new technology and XP = extended performance.

3-29-08, 09:08 AM	#18
Croc Hunter Mod.. with bite.. Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 7,295 Reputation: 442	DMOZ is pretty much defunct now IMO. But if you want to submit sure you can try, it wont hurt. I submitted one there last year and as far as I know they still don't spam you or anything. __________________ Croc Hunter MSC :

3-29-08, 03:17 PM	#19
tpoynton Custom User Title Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 2,119 Reputation: 293	i was a category editor volunteer at DMOZ for a time...then some servers went down and people could not edit their categories for weeks. i forgot about it for a while, and when I tried to sign in as an editor again, I was kicked out for not checking in. There are tons of sites that feed off of DMOZ, which leads to links. I'm not sure if it helps or hurts though. I can say that, from my webstats, I rarely ever get clicks from any of the DMOZ clones. In fact, I cant recall the last time I did. Google shows dozens of such sites though when I check for links to my domain.

4-4-08, 11:21 PM	#20
leenkz #24 RULES Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: kansas Posts: 182 Reputation: 23	I remember the days when I would put a site up, and then you had to submit and wait and wait. Now is like, I am not even done building a site, and google has already been there. I think is safe to say, submitting to the engines is pretty much obsolete. __________________ Peace, Mike

4-7-08, 12:10 PM	#21
YvetteKuhns Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Allentown, PA USA Posts: 15,215 Reputation: 467	If you have a link to your website, the search engines will probably find your website. You should have a robots.txt file for the search engines that look for it before going any further. If you have a site map or simple navigation from the index page, your other pages should appear quickly. There are still benefits to MANUALLY submitting websites to various search engines AND directories. Many people simply think of Google, Windows Live (MSN) and Yahoo, but there are others. And links from some of them can help, though link popularity has little weight in the algorithm for ranking. DMOZ has not been updated in a long time and hasn't driven traffic to any websites. You can find directories for your location or topic, for example: if you sell puppies in Anytown, PA, you would look for business directories in PA, Lehigh County or the United States. And you could try neighboring localities. Then look for other websites about puppies or pets. There are directories, forums and other websites. In the past, people tried to get as many links as possible. But the quantity isn't as important as the quality of the links. Do people visit that website? Do they visit the page where your link appears? If YOU were looking for the link, would you click it? It doesn't matter what type of website it is: search engine, directory, forum, personal or business website. If the links are found by your target audience and they click it, your website can be found. I have several clients with top ten ranking that do NOT use pay per click advertising. The website itself must be designed well to help search engines and people find the pages and information. Submit to Google and use Google Webmaster Tools to see how your website is doing. You can make changes based on the information reported. __________________ Yvette Kuhns Power Pages Web Design Customized Internet Advertising Solutions

4-11-08, 05:22 AM	#22
Neat Pete Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 458 Reputation: 57	The founders of DMOZ have created a new web crawler called ScoutJet at http://www.scoutjet.com. Those magic words: "next generation search technology".